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| rschneider |
Posted on 01/11/07 - 8:11 AM
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How big can I go with a single outboard motor on a 22' Outrage cuddy cabin?
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 01/11/07 - 9:41 AM
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All notched transom 22s are rated for 240 HP so a single 225 works very well.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/11/07 - 12:05 PM
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I believe the 225 hp was one of the most popular sizes for a single engine on a 22' model.
However, the 200 hp might be very close second or even tied for first in size popularity.
Many 200 hp models are lighter then the 225 hp and if owners also want to install a kicker motor, then a 200 hp is a fine choice also. Not that the 22' won't handle the entire weight of a 225 hp and a kicker, but the lighter the better in my opinion.
I had a 175 hp on my 1989 Outrage 22' Cuddy. It was a newer 1999 Johnson with the System Check and pushed the boat via GPS = 40.8 mph..... Calm fresh water with no wind. I was completely satisfied with this motor as far as speed out of the hole and performance.
So, that should give you a few more choices in size. Just depends on your personal needs.
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| GTL |
Posted on 01/11/07 - 7:07 PM
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Well, I just bought a 22' Outrage,with Whaler Drive this last December. It came with a Evinrude 225HP, all 1990 vintage. The prop is a 14.25 x 17 pitch SS Michigan Wheel.
I've only had it out a couple of times (putting brake on the trailer), but the first time out, with my son running beside me in his 25' Outrage, he clocked me between 46 and 47 MPH on his GPS. I know I wasn't trimmed out completely ... still learning the boat. The water conditions were approx 1' chop with light winds.
Had my wife on board and 30-35 gals of fuel ... we were both really pleased with the performance of the engine ( had not been run for several months) and the ride of the boat. It was quick to plane and seemed to have sufficient power.
Haven't had enough time on the boat to determine the fuel consumption .... that may influence my opinion later, but right now the 225HP seems fine.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/11/07 - 7:31 PM
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GTL,
I have heard about good performance from a 225 hp on a 22' Whaler Drive model.
The Whaler Drive model is way different from the standard 22's as the WD model is rated for 300 ponies.....That's 60 more hp than the standard model.
Standard 22' is rated for max 240 hp
Whaler Drive 22' is rated for max 300 hp
So, you were running with 75 hp less than max rated and had good results.
With my 175 hp, I was running with 65 less than max rated and had good results....
Can you imagine what your Whaler would do with one of those newer 300 hp motors?
Too fast for me probably...
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 01/12/07 - 8:29 AM
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Some Whaler Drive 22s were rated for 400 HP and some others rated for 450 HP!
46-47 MPH on a Whaler Drive equipped 22 with an OMC 225 is outstanding and, quite frankly, surprises me. Was that the average of a two way test run?
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| Jeff |
Posted on 01/12/07 - 9:05 AM
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Richard,
Since you want to go with a single, your 22 should hold the weight of any Hp Outboard on the Market. We have 862lbs (twin 150 V6's) worth of Mercury Power on the stern of my fathers 22 Guardian. That is 227 lbs more than a single heavy Mercury Verado 275 hp.
I the way I would look at it is like this...Pick a motor based and its block (or weight) then buy the highest Hp motor in that range. If you can afford it of course.
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Evinrude has their 60 degree V6 block that in 25" shaft weighs in at 427lbs. So whether you get the 150 / 175 / 200 hp motor they will all weigh the same.
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They also have their 90 degree V6 block which in a 25" shaft weighs in at 524 lbs (+/- depending on HO or non-HO). Those motors go from 200 / 225 / 250 Hp.
To me, if the weight is the same and the price only varies by a $1000 or so, why would you get a smaller Hp motor. You will get better cruising, top end, hole shot, and cruising fuel economy with the Larger Hp.
If I where to rig my 22 with a new motor I would most likely consider a 250 (that is a single set up). If twins most likely twin 150 E-Tecs and if money was no object twin 60 degree 200's. I know I can hear it now....but, that is just me. There would also be a bracket and redone transom in that case as well.
GTL, I would have to agree with Tom on those numbers. I run a newly overhualed 235 Evinrude V6 with a 14.5 X 19 OMC stainless prop. The best I have ever got was 43.2 mph on still water and the air temp was in the upper 60's. The best GPS ever was 46.1 mph in 2' chop but, I think the current was helping me along. My best average (6 2way runs) was something like 42.3mph.
Edited by Jeff on 01/12/07 - 9:12 AM
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| Tom B |
Posted on 01/12/07 - 6:07 PM
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I would think 46-47 would be easy with a single 235.
I have twin 1980 115 Mercury inline six motors on a 22 and it does 50+ easily. 17" Stiletto props with a 2/1 gear ratio. I ran it once wide open gps both ways and it was 53-54 mph at around 6300-6400rpm.
Before anyone calls me a liar I am ready to take all bets and I could probably get Rob (Ratherwhaling) to go for a ride with me to prove it. Just place your bets large enough to cover my gas and a couple beers for me and Rob.
This was with me 280# and my son 225# and maybe 1/2 tank of gas.
I really think I could get 55 with some effort.
At any rate a single of the same hp is suppoed to be stronger than twins so why the low mph numbers for the 235?
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 01/12/07 - 7:07 PM
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50+ MPH easily? I don't think so. I'd take that bet but Rob can drink more beer than I can afford.
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| GTL |
Posted on 01/12/07 - 8:48 PM
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Tom,
All I can say right now, is my son was pacing me with his 25' Outrage with twin 150 opti's ...he said I was running 46-47 mph. Didn't do a two way trip, just a nice day on the bay, trying out the new boat. How acturate is the GPS, I don't know??? Been on my son's boat when it was flying and the GPS read 54 MPH.
I was pleased with the 225HP, and was only passing on my opinion. When I get use to the boat and get it set up, I'll let you know what speed I get. I know my son's 25' Outrage was faster, and that I was faster than our friend 25'Outrage Cuddy with a Whaler Drive and twin 150 Johnsons ...... the big thing was that the three of us where out on the Bay on a December morning (12/16/06) having a great day taking pictures of our Whalers running on the Bay.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r206/GTLal/IMG_2722_259_259.jpg
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| ratherwhalering |
Posted on 01/13/07 - 7:25 AM
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I'm not busy this weekend, and quite thirsty!
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| Jeff |
Posted on 01/13/07 - 8:43 AM
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Kattfishh,
I know those old merc inline 6's are powerful but man...We only will eek out 50 mph on the Guardian with twin Merc 150's and aluminum props..
BTW My old 235 is rated 235 at the crank not at the prop like today's motors are measured. At the prop I am probably 200....
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| Tom B |
Posted on 01/13/07 - 9:51 AM
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Larry (LHG) had the same motors on his 18 and I cant remember how fast he said it went but I remember it was over 60. If you do the #s on Jims calculator it works.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 01/13/07 - 10:35 AM
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Larry's boat is an Outrage 18 not a 22.
I think we have the basis for a challenge here! I'll be down there in February and I'm bringing my GPS with me ;-)
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| Tom B |
Posted on 01/13/07 - 11:59 PM
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I said Larrys was an 18. And like I said if there is a wager I will take Rob for proof. Under 50 I pay over 50 you pay.
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| rschneider |
Posted on 01/14/07 - 6:14 AM
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What is a Whaler Drive model?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/14/07 - 10:43 AM
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Here is a photo of an Outrage 22' Cuddy with the Whaler Drive.
http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=38...lideticker
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| rschneider |
Posted on 01/22/07 - 8:25 AM
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Thanks Joe, a picture is worth a thousand words and even after that I may not understand it correctly.
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| Jeff |
Posted on 01/22/07 - 10:24 AM
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I love Kurt's boat. I wonder how many 22 Outrage Cuddy WDs were made.
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