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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 12:39 PM
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I have a pretty complete Outrage stern light assembly that I bought on ebay last winter. I am going to get it up and running as a project for this winter.
One of the parts that is in need of help is the lamp socket. The socket itself is in very good condition, however the wiring is not intact. The solder connections are inside the bottom side of the plastic light pole cap.
Can the lamp socket be removed from the plastic pole cap? It looks like the lamp socket is just pressed into the plastic, but with a couple of probing pries with a small flat screw driver and a couple of tugs with a pair of needlenose pliers, it looks like I would damage the lamp socket if I continued on that course of action.
Is the pole cap/lamp socket assembly available as a replaceable part, including wiring? If anyone has rebuilt one of these stern lights, I would appreciate your experience.
I edited after the original post:
I just looked at the parts pictures.
I notice that the Outrage/Revenge stern light pictured has 235 degree coverage. My light looks very similar, but instead of the chrome 235 degree dome there is a chrome ring that retains an all around clear lense. Instead of the festoon lamp socket, I have a socket that specifies a 1416 bulb.
I have taken some pictures of my disassembled parts and will post them a little later today.
Thanks,
Doug Vazquez
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 1:12 PM
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Doug,
I completely rebuilt a stern light last year just like you are planning to do now.
Yes, the lights are still available from Perko and here is the link to the photo on this website.
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...?photo=576
Some people replaced the 235º light with a 360º light. People did this so they did not have to use the Masthead light as the laws requires a 360º anchor/running light.
To put your light back to original, I would buy one of the complete light assemblies from Perko.
Perko part #965
Whatever you do, do not destroy the mounting bracket on top of the stern light tube. These are no longer available. These were made in both metal and plastic versions so be careful. The light assembly unscrews from this base.
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...?photo=575
For anyone that wants to remanufacture an entire stern light assembly, see this article on this site by James Reedy:
http://www.whalercentral.com/readarti...icle_id=23
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 1:35 PM
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Joe,
Here is a picture of the parts I have:
[img]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d97/DougV_/Whaler%20Details/sternlightparts1.jpg[/img]
I like the idea of an all new socket. Is the socket pre-wired?
I forgot to mention, the screw centers on the upper and lower mounting blocks look like they match some patched holes in the gelcoat on the inner face of the starboard gunnel cap and a couple of holes I temp patched in the splashwell.
While I am asking questions, where did the stern light storage clip (or clips) mount?
Doug
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 2:23 PM
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Doug,
Your parts look close to the ones I have seen. The shape of the teak blocks are different but I can assume that there were different shape teak blocks through the years.
Question:
How tall is your stern light assembly?
The reason I ask in that many of the Revenge models used much longer tubing that the Outrage models. I have both versions in my collection.
The Outrage model is 36 inches long.
The Revenge model is 80 inches long.
The shorter version has the 235º Perko light #965 and uses the festoon bulb.
The longer version has the 360º Perko light and is stamped A16 and uses the #1416 bulb.
My #1416 bulb looks different than the one you show in your photograph.
I am going to look in the Perko catalog to see if I can find the 360º light and the part number as I believe it has to be something different than the stamped A16 number.
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 2:30 PM
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Joe,
I am not out in the shop right now to measure the tube, but I know it is a lot closer to 36" than 80".
As far as the bulb goes, I bet the bulb I have is not the 1416, but the plastic light base was stamped with "Use 1416 bulb", or something close to that, around the bulb socket.
I will double check the length on the light tube.
Doug
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 2:43 PM
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Doug,
I looked in the Perko catalog and cannot find the 360º light.
I am not sure if they discontinued this or I just can't find it.
Anyway, I have both versions. I am not sure where the 360º light fit in except for the Revenge models.
Do you have a Masthead light? Or are you missing it?
To be legal, the stern light, if it is used as a 360º anchor/running light, has to be around 36 inches above the bow lights I believe. That is why the Revenge light tube is much longer than the Outrage tubing.
If you still have the Masthead light, then I would go ahead a put a new Perko light #965 on your stern light.
NOTE: do not throw away the 360º light that you have now. I recommend you keep it just in case.....
And YES, the new lights from Perko come pre-wired but they only have about 1 foot of wire.
You have to either splice in new wire to make it longer or just rewire the entire light with the length of wire you need. The splice is inside the tubing so there usually is never a problem with corrosion.
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 2:57 PM
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Joe,
The original bow lights are not installed on this boat. The locations are capped with some non descript tan platic caps. The current combination bow light is mounted on the forward most point of the T-top.
Eventually, I would like to utilize the original bow light mounting locations, with either original lights or something that closely resembles the originals.
As far as the mast head light goes, I would like to mount a folding masthead light on the T-top, either at the location of the current bow light, or near the aft end of the T-top. I would rather have it in the center of the T-top, but that would make it too difficult to fold down. The VHF, GPS, and FM antennae all need to fold down to clear the carport header before I back the boat in.
It would be real easy to mount the masthead light if there were such a thing as a folding rail mount masthead light. Otherwise I will have to get a little creative with some sort of bracket.
Doug Vazquez
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 3:16 PM
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Doug,
Wow..... Is that legal... Having the bow light on the T-Top?
I have seen plenty of Whalers with the bow lights in place and then a 360º all-around anchor/running light on the T-Top... I think that is legal...
I have a pair of Perko running lights (not original to our boats) that I can send you when I send you the cord grip and stern light bushing if you are interested. I took these off of my 1989 Outrage 22' Cuddy when I put back on the original Wilcox lights. The lights I have are Perko #915 teardrop in both red and green. They cover up the existing Wilcox holes and they only use3 very small screws to mount the light to the hull.
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 3:23 PM
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Joe,
I seriously doubt if the set up is legal at all. If I was going to do any real night running, I would get all the lighting up to standard quick. At least the light is where it can be seen, instead of nothing.
As far as the perko lights you have, if you want to be gone with them, I will see if I can use them. If I can't use them, I will send them back.
Thanks for the offer,
Doug
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 3:36 PM
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Doug,
I am not sure how you want to setup your boat.
I do know that people with a T-Top can't really use the Masthead light system very well.
Most people with a T-Top use the standard bow lights along with a 360º all-around light on top of their T-Top. This way you would not even need to use a stern light at all.
I will send you the Perko bow lights and also a Perko 360º light for the top of your T-Top. This is only about 8 inches tall so it would not need to be folded down.
If you don't need them, then you can possibly give them to someone else in need.
Send me your address via a Private Message and I will box up the Bushings and the Lights....
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 4:07 PM
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Joe,
I have sent you a PM.
Concerning the masthead light with the T-top, during the Northwest rendevous, Tom Clark felt the same way as you. Just mount an all around light on the T-top, and forgo the stern light.
I guess I was just trying to use the stern light up. It is a real nice, stout piece of hardware. Maybe I will just package it up and offer it for sale one of these days.
Doug Vazquez
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 4:58 PM
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Doug,
Great minds think alike. I am older than Tom but he is better looking.... 
I just finished wrapping up your package. I will send it out tomorrow.
Snowing off and on here today and 34º..... Look out tonight....
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/12/06 - 5:15 PM
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Thanks again Joe. Watch out for that snow!
Doug
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 11/19/06 - 5:41 PM
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Did I miss something?
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| Doug V |
Posted on 11/19/06 - 9:46 PM
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Tom,
No, I don't think so. Remember, this past summer you recommended that I forego the cheesy stern light and add a masthead light on top of my T-top.
I have an original Outrage stern light I was thinking of installing, but may go the masthead on top of the T-top route. Regardless, I will have big hole to fill on the gunnel cap.
Doug Vazquez
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