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83 OUTRAGE just delivered! PICS up!!
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:03 PM
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Well it looks like I have my work cutout for me. I was crcazy enough to actually buy it without seeing it. Too far to drive and no time in my crazy schedule.
Where do I start, I guess the bow,the front lifting ring is gone,ripped out of the hull, some stress/spider cracks in gel coat (how deep I dont know) the keel up at the bow has a bunch of chunks missing, after removing the 4 deck hatches, black sludgey type goop with moisture, moisture in the clear glass gas window, pretty sad trailer with rollers, the rest is mostly cosmetic stuff, teak,stains, holes that need to be filled, rails that need to be tightened up, the twin yamahas actually look pretty decent, ss props.
Where do I start, I dont wnat to do a complete teardown/resto, I just want to set it up for trouble free boating next season, would you recommend pulling the deck/hatch off checking the fuel cavity for water intrusion, tank, replace the filler hose?
I dont hear any dull spots on the hull, so I dont think there has been any delamination.
I snapped some pics but dont know how to post them.
Here are the hull #'s on transom, BWC6615AM83C and a black number stamped on the right side seat of the inside of the bow A50687.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:23 PM
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Are you sure which model of boat you just purchased.
In your last thread you said you bought an Outrage.
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...ad_id=5659
Now is this thread you say you bought an 83 Dauntless...
I think you are too excited to post or type... 
Please edit the first post in this thread and change the Dauntless to an Outrage...
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:29 PM
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don't fret! It's not the end of the world and I can assure you that there is enough expertise on this site to go whatever route you want to take. The first thing you need to do is to get some photos posted so we can see what you have. Might be easier to first set up a personal page and then post progress photos.............Don't give up on her though......all are here to help
Edited by ioptfm on 11/18/08 - 6:39 PM
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:37 PM
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WOW ,I am so excited that I said Dauntless when I meant OUTRAGE! How do I post pics?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:38 PM
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Start your personal page.
Read the tutorial and you shouldn't have a problem.
You may need to settle down first though... Don't drink any coffee. That will get you more excited....
I bet you wish you didn't use the name of 98Dauntless when you signed up?
Many people sign up with their boat name and then sell the boat and buy a different model and then there name no longer matches up to their original intention.
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:40 PM
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do I need to disconnect all the electrical wires and remove the console from the boat to remove the deck/fuel access panel to evaluate ? is this a good place to start?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:45 PM
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Jerry,
I would wait until morning before starting any work in the dark....
First, inspect underneath the deck by opening up all the deck plates.
Clean everything out that you can reach.
Use your nose and smell for fuel. How much fuel is in the tank?
Do you smell any fuel?
I would not lift the deck up unless you see or smell fuel under the deck.
If you need to remove the deck to replace the tank, then yes, the console needs to be removed along with all the wiring.
You really don't want to do this unless you have to.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:46 PM
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Jerry -
Take a long walk. Clear you head. Come back home, grab a digital camera.
Take some general photos; one from bow, one from each side, one of the stern, one of the console. Post on your personal page.
Then, start at the bow and take a photo of every little thing. Post these to a photobucket account.
Sit in the boat with a pad and pen. Take notes of questions. List of to-do's.
When done, come back here and let us know your list.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 6:57 PM
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Please don't even think about pointing any links to photo bucket or any other outside photo hosting service.
We don't want them....
See this thread.
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...;pid=33979
Post your photos in your own personal page here on WhalerCentral. This way people in the future are assured they can view the photos.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...l_page.php
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| Phil T |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 7:06 PM
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Oh &^%. Joe's right. Senior moment. 
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| kamie |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 7:53 PM
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Jerry,
I realize you don't want to do a total tear down so start with nothing but a camera and a paper and pen. Based on your short description you need to do the following:
Copy the following list to your piece of paper.
1. bow eye needs to be replaced; gelcoat patched
2. gelcoat repair; bow area
3. check thru hulls, if they don't look shiny plan on replacing.
4. Need to wash out under tank cover. This is easily done with a hose spraying water in the forward hatch toward the rear drains.
5. pull off access panels and check fuel / vent hoses (1983 hoses not ethanol rated). If they have not been replaced, plan on replacing
6. if the boat has a water separator filter, check for water, if not plan on adding one.
7. Assuming you have a charged battery, check that the lights work
Stop!
Take your list and a hot beverage and walk around the boat again. Write down the locations of big cracks or chips you need to fix. If your not going to trailer a lot, will the trailer last or is it really almost dead.
As long as then engine works, the list above should get you in the water and enjoying the boat for the first year. There will always be something to do on the boat, only do what you need too for safety otherwise the boat will live in the driveway and not on the water.
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/18/08 - 8:18 PM
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thanks for all the advise,after getting the boat in the garage and before starting this thread,I grabbed the digital camera and started shooting,and as I looked closer and closer,I started to get a little discouraged with all the defects and issues I feel need tending to,I am anal and do want things "ship shape",I was by no means going to start removing stuff tonightthat said,my next hurdle is posting pics on my homepage,the problem I always have is that the size of the pics is too big,Ill figure it out,
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| Blue_Northern |
Posted on 11/19/08 - 6:25 AM
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Jerry - you can email me your pictures and I will resize them and send them back to you. My email is [mail]robert@agentacom.com[/mail].
Congrats on your new purchase!
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/19/08 - 7:23 AM
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thanks Rob,I was up till 1 am trying to rezize them last night but to no avail,Ill have the wife try today after work,if that dosent work Ill take you up on your offer,cheers
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Posted on 11/19/08 - 7:24 AM
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98Dauntless wrote:
I am anal and do want things "ship shape"
Hey, listen, to me that's the ONLY way it can and should be. To settle for any less is, well, settling for less. Plus I seem to like the term you used there, can't imagine why, though. 
In any event, these are all great bits of advice. I know that in the past, especially on some of my earlier work, I let my excitement get the best of me and would forget things, miss spots on stuff, or rush something that didn't need to be rushed (on a boat, this is pretty much everything ). Nothing irreperable really, just caused extra trips to the store a little wasted time and material and a few lessons.
Writing things down is imperative for me. If I don't do it, I forget about things and then later on have to go back to em, which is a pain.
Next thing is clean her out. Don't have to get out the hose and bucket and suds and slave away at it for hours, just sweep it out if its been sittin outside and then remove all loose items and clutter and set that aside.
Any hardware, you're gonna want to make sure you label that - what it is, where it came from, and keep it with others like it. Cheap plastic tackle boxes or fastener boxes work well for this.
Once you've done that, Ive found that having everything organized and neatened up sets the stage for a successful and more pleasant work experience. Believe me, I know how it feels to pull in a new job - for me it means I get to do what I like, that I'll be getting compensated soon and can pay some bills, and that I've got another golden opportunity to spread my name and reputation. Add to that my barely out of teenage years male mindset, impatience can easily get the better of me. I honestly feel a little odd giving advice because I know that I haven't got much experience at all compared to many of the seasoned members of this site, so really this is just a lengthy "what they said" post. Just writing it helps me to remember whats important, its just that I get so excited to hear about yet another fine boat (Whaler, no less) being done right, being brought back from the brink to the way it ought to be and that just really pumps me up!
Best of luck to you, and thanks to people like you who come in here with their questions so the rest of us reap the benefits of the answers given.
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Posted on 11/19/08 - 7:30 AM
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It would really be no trouble at all. Often it is not only the dimensions of the photo but the format and resulting file size. These things are very easy to control with software like photoshop. Send them to me and I can have them enhanced and sized in about 5 minutes.
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/19/08 - 7:48 AM
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Man I love this site! Great advice ,kinda reminds me of the subaru forums when I was racing subies. Or the VW forums when I was restoring my 71' convertable superbeatle. You cant put a price on good advice from experienced,knowledgeable people. Cheers!
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| WhalerDan |
Posted on 11/19/08 - 10:13 AM
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Hi Jerry,
I'm on Long Island too. We exchanged e-mails. One thought, before you take things apart, it's probably a good idea to have the motors checked and winterized. This place: http://raybomarine.com can do gelcoat work, replace a gas tank etc. They've done some amazing work on Whalers -- they're in Lindenhurst.
For trailer repair, or a new trailer contact Neil at: http://www.ectrailers.net I was there yesterday getting a new light and having my bearings inspected.
Some Outrage owners forget to remove inspection plates during winter storage to help evaporation.
I agree with the need to change fuel lines if they're original.
Good luck.
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| In2Deep |
Posted on 11/19/08 - 1:11 PM
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Hey Whaler Dan ,thanks for the local info,Ill try and do as much as I can myself,but if and when I get in above my head Ill look into some local help. As for the removal of the inspection plates to aid evaporation,please elaborate. Im in Port Washington,Nassau Co. and if your free come on by and give me some input,advice,God knows I could use it.Thanks.
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| WhalerDan |
Posted on 11/19/08 - 1:33 PM
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The round Beckson (spell?) plastic plates in the deck -- I read they should be opened during storage to allow moisture to evaporate. I'd be happy to come by some time, but my knowledge is more from reading/paying than doing. Port Washington is only 1/2 hour away. Do you have a heated garage for working on the boat during the winter?
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