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| holdenon2003 |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 4:03 AM
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I am new to the classic Whaler game but would like to buy one that is not a project and turn-key without breaking the bank and having my wife kill me right out of the gates.
I found a 1967 16/17' Whaler for sale.
Overall it appears to be in very good condition.
It has a 2003 90 hp 2 - cycle Johnson outboard with trim and tilt and a new Venture bunk style trailer with bearing buddies.
It also has full stainless bow rail and side grab rails, a newer 8' bimini top, newer battery, 12 and 6 gallon gas tank and in line fuel filter.
Because of the year I am assuming it is either a Nauset, Sakonnet or maybe an Eastport. I don't think it is a Currituck because of all the stainless railings on the boat, however they may have been added over time.
All the wood on the boat has been replaced with a fiberglass center console and flip back seat. The only wood is for the bow locker cover.
It is in the Northeast and has been used mostly in salt water.
I would appreciate any thoughts or comments about value and if it sounds like a good rig or not.
Thanks for the help.
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 6:00 AM
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Is there any way you can post some photo? That always helps.
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| holdenon2003 |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 7:14 AM
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I have some pictures but unfortunately I can't figure out how to post them.
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| Blue_Northern |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 7:19 AM
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Be sure you are factoring in the modified console when you consider the price. If you are looking for a true original the fiberglass console will be a negative. As far as function it works great but any deviance from original equipment should considered as something you need to revert back to have a true classic. I personally think boats are made to be used -- I have a beautiful 17 that is all original. The 19 I am building now will be far from factory but will be exactly what I need and want. All I am saying is when looking to buy a classic make sure the price reflects all the changes -- an original is going to be more valuable. Put some pictures up so we can check it out.
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 12:06 PM
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If your choice of words is correct, the boat you are considering is not a Classic Whaler if it is a 1967. It's just a "modified Whaler". A 1967 Classic Whaler would have the blue interior, original gelcoat, and mahogany center console and pilot seat, fixed or reversible, in any degree of condition, trashed to mint, but all original.
With aftermarket stuff in it, only the hull itself has any potential classic value if it's not badly butchered. Now that this fellow (who advertizes here) has opened up shop in Detroit, selling beautiful original mahogany consoles for the "blue interior" Whalers, you can consider the hull as your purchase price and restore the boat to it's former condition if that is what you want to do.
To this purist, Whalers of any size with aftermarket consoles and seats have no real classic collector value at all. The more "homemade" stuff that goes into a Whaler, the less it's worth to a sophisticated "turn key" buyer.
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 12:55 PM
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The question is;
Are you going to use this unit in a reasonable manner or are you going to buy a whaler to have an example of the way it was originally sold.
Time and Tides awaits for no man and very few women indeed..
So a boat that is several years old will have had to be updated sometimes.
Chances are the update will be somewhat different then the original "set up".If you are a collector and are looking hard for the original package;I guess that you won't mind paying a collector's price.
If on the other hand you are to use the unit for sometimes a number of punishing duties , you may not mind a few politically incorrect modifications.
It's all a state of mind really..
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| holdenon2003 |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 6:18 PM
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Thanks for all the input but actually I was just looking for a dollar value for the boat described in today's market not a lecture in semantics.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 6:28 PM
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$5,000 - $7,000
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 09/24/08 - 6:29 PM
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I'm outta here! 
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| MW |
Posted on 09/25/08 - 12:58 AM
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look's like this thread is closed.
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| Binkie |
Posted on 09/25/08 - 4:31 AM
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Is it closed?
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| Binkie |
Posted on 09/25/08 - 4:56 AM
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No, its not closed. I would say the term Classic Whaler refers to the design and year of the hull, irregardless of whether is is restored to original specs, or modified in a professional manner, or butchered by the backyard yahoo. Classic Whalers are not like classic cars, that bring exorbitant prices at Classic car auctions. There are many modified Classic whalers that are way above and beyond what the original designer had in mind, and are worth more, and get more attention by fellow boaters. I can think of only one Classic Whaler, a Nauset, that is truly an original, restored boat with an original restored Bearcat engine, that is far and away more valuable then the others. The last i heard it was on display at a dealers showroom, and is never used, and is truly a "trailer queen".
Of course, an original Nauset, with its original or newly constructed interior, or any Classic Whaler, with its mahogany interior, that is in good condition, is more valuable than one where the mahogany was trashed and replaced with fiberglass, but they all are considered Classics merely by their age.
If you find a Whaler, and it suits your needs, and the price is right, buy it and enjoy it. Not everyone is into mahogany.
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Posted on 09/25/08 - 6:15 AM
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Wow, crazy thread. I thought a Whaler was deemed as a classic if it is more than 20 years old. Typical in vehicles, 20 years is the benchmark which turns somethinig from an old clunker to a classic. If the boat is a 1967, it is indeed a classic Whaler regardless of how bad a guy chopped it up. Now if you're looking for a classic original, then the classic original term should be used.
I have to agree with mr. binkie.
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| holdenon2003 |
Posted on 09/25/08 - 6:53 AM
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I’d like to thank everyone for all the comments, feedback and advice. I value the opinion of this well managed and involved group and find it to be an invaluable asset to the Whaler community as a whole.
From what I know or thought I knew, which quite frankly is not much because I am new to this, is that the age of the hull is what determines a “classic.”
To me the new Whalers look too “euro” and don’t have the character of the older “classic” hulls.
I was just hoping to get the groups opinion on the value, which to my way of thinking is the total package offered for sale; new trailer and a 2003 Johnson 90 on a well maintained 1967 hull that has had some cosmetic and some might argue functional modifications.
I too like the look of the original wood but I don’t think I will like all the maintenance that goes along with it.
One member mentioned a range of $5,000 - $7,000.
The asking price of the boat I was referring to is $6,500.
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| CES |
Posted on 09/25/08 - 7:50 AM
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If he is asking $6,500, low ball him and offer $5K. In this economy, he may bite.
Just my $.02
Cliff
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| Binkie |
Posted on 09/25/08 - 10:13 AM
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I agree with Cliff, things are not moving in this economy,, Like my friend and used car dealer says, the buyer should always start low. You can always go up.
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