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| martinmarine |
Posted on 06/14/08 - 7:26 AM
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We got an 18 outrage in the shop for a number of custom items including a t-top, rear seat with rod holders, cushions, and bow rail. Stay tuned for photos!
Raymond
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| kamie |
Posted on 06/14/08 - 10:54 AM
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martinmarine,
does the 18 your putting the T-Top on have trim tabs? If not, you may want to suggest to the owner that you add a set of Lenco 12X12's. Depending on the T-Top, it can cause the 18 to porpoise badly. I know the T-Top on my 18 had that effect.
CPD recomends trim tabs on every boat with a T-Top and a LOA less than 25 feet.
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| Binkie |
Posted on 06/14/08 - 6:04 PM
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Just out of curiosity, how would a T-Top make a boat porpoise? Windage causing bow lift?
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| kamie |
Posted on 06/14/08 - 6:35 PM
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I am assuming that is the case. The 18 is a light boat and on mine, even before I added the stern seat and the bracket, The boat would porpoise and I could not trim the engine enough to bring the bow down, she always rode a bit bow high. Not a fun trip in 2 foot waves or higher. This was after the previous owner screwed 2x4's to the hull in an effort to stop the boat from slaming into the waves. He took the boat off Cape May to the canyons for fishing.
The T-Top on my 18 was a hard top, so I don't know if that makes a difference.
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 06/15/08 - 5:27 AM
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Ok Kamie - not to hijack this thread - but you need to explain this one in more detail....
This was after the previous owner screwed 2x4's to the hull in an effort to stop the boat from slaming into the waves.
Where were they screwed in? I know us NJ people can be a bit crazy  but that one got me  .
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| kamie |
Posted on 06/15/08 - 6:35 AM
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The were screwed to the bottom near the stern. Think of an extra set of strakes.
When I start prop testing, I will post photo's of what was there.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 06/15/08 - 7:14 AM
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Scott -
I remember Kamie's photos. Yep, there they were! Got a laugh on your comment. Acceptance is the first step. 
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| Binkie |
Posted on 06/15/08 - 10:36 AM
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If your T-Top is providing lift I would do what needed to be done to make it provide down force, obviously tilting the front of the top downward. I would`nt install trim tabs to right a wrong. Tabs are only good for keeping a boat on plane at a lower speed anyway. Another alternative is to keep the lift and add a lot more power. With more speed you can drive through the porpoising stage, and the boat will lay down and run with just the stern in the water. Just be careful you don`t blow overLOL.
I`d love to see the pictures of the 2x4 strakes on your boat. Its a wonder the boat would plane.
Rich
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| martinmarine |
Posted on 06/15/08 - 10:38 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion but we have not had any issues with porpoising on boats we've installed t-tops on. We build a lot of tops for boats as small as 16 foot with no negative impact on performance. Each top is built specifically for each boat and we account for a lot of factors when designing the top. However, I will be sure to suggest the use of trim tabs if there is an issue with the ride.
All of the items have been fabricated and will be installed early this week. Here is a picture of the boat:
[IMG]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/Martin-Marine-Design/IMG_3133.jpg[/IMG]
And the custom bow rail we fabricated, 17 inches tall at the bow:
[IMG]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/Martin-Marine-Design/IMG_3143.jpg[/IMG]
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| Monsoon |
Posted on 06/15/08 - 5:06 PM
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I was concerned that I'd have issues with my Outrage 18 as I was told that it was too small of a boat to be equipped with a T-top. I have two deep cycle batteries in the stern area and a stern bench seat to make it even heavier in the rear; however, it hits plane quite quickly. You will notice that the front of my T-top is angled downward (personal page); which, I assume helps brings the bow down.
Mike
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| kamie |
Posted on 06/16/08 - 5:45 PM
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Scott,
check my personal page, last photo. The 2x4 with carpet is the trailer bunk, the 2x4 painted is screwed to the boat.
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| arthureld |
Posted on 06/16/08 - 11:00 PM
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Kammie, I can't believe you still have those 2 x 4 s on your boat. I seem to remember reading about those things in posts from years ago. You have done so much work to your boat and left those on there.
What's up with that?
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| kamie |
Posted on 06/17/08 - 5:12 AM
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the 2x4's are gone and the holes patched.
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| arthureld |
Posted on 06/17/08 - 5:26 AM
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Cool, does it make a big difference?
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| thecameraguy |
Posted on 06/17/08 - 5:39 PM
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I have a T-Top on an Outrage 190. Seems to run fine. The front end of the top is angled down to provide a bit of down force. You can see pictures on my personal page. I purchased it from www.atlantictowers.com
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| martinmarine |
Posted on 06/20/08 - 10:18 AM
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Here are some pics of the rear jump seat. The customer is a diver so this seat gives him a grab bar when exiting the swim platform as well as another seat to prepare his gear. My shop handled the design, fabrication, upholstery and installation:
[IMG]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/Martin-Marine-Design/IMG_3155.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/Martin-Marine-Design/IMG_3154.jpg[/IMG]
Here is the t-top installed. This top has about every option you can get on a top. Like the seat, we handle every aspect of building and installing the top:
[IMG]http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60/Martin-Marine-Design/IMG_3176.jpg[/IMG]
We also converted his console seat into a swingback seat.
Thanks for your interest!
Raymond
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