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Need Pictures of Engine for Old 16'7s
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| Davidk |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:53 AM
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I'm looking for any close up pictures of the mounting of a MODERN engine on any of the old style Whalers (16'7). I'm particularly looking for close ups of the bolting arrangement to show the engine bracket (which holes were used).
Thanks, I'm restoring a Nauset and been going around and around about mounting a new engine.
davidkformula29@yahoo.com
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| PaulTarwater |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 10:02 AM
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[IMG]http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj226/PaulTarwater/splashwell002.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj226/PaulTarwater/splashwell001.jpg[/IMG]
It is not a modern engine but it might help you gauge the depth. Paul
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| Phil T |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 10:26 AM
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Paul -
Your photo link is not working. Replace the img with url to link it.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 10:55 AM
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Paul,
I looked at your PhotoBucket photos and there are no photos with the numbers you are trying to link to.
You links above are pointing towards 001.jpg and 002.jpg
All of your photos on PhotoBucket are 0210.jpg on up to 0221.jpg
I have no idea which photos you are trying to point to...
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 12:40 PM
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Don't know if this is what you are looking for or not
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/ioptfmies/ioptfm
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| Mudmanh41 |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 3:10 PM
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Hey guys I am new to this site. I have been here just over a month. I have allready learned so much by looking thru the archives. I was a 4wheeler (66 Ford Bronco on 39'5 for years.I have been active in a internet Bronco club for the last 6 years also. Some of the people I met in that group reminde me of some of y'all.All in all just good people with a common intrest.As the next years go by I now know where to look for good information redoing my 77 Montauk.I hope to just rebuild the trailer this year and get 1 season out of the boat before I redue it next year.Someone sprayed light gray paint with a non slip additive on the whole inside of my boat.
Thanks to Joe, Jeff and all of thoses that keep this site up and running. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.
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| Davidk |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 6:55 PM
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Thanks ioptfm, but your boat is too new. I'm looking for older boats with the rounded transom. I'm still trying to resolve the best way to mount a new engine on the older boats with non-standard transom holes.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:16 PM
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David,
What are you describing as NON standard transom holes?
The upper holes are generally all the same...
The lower holes may be different on some earlier engines when they used the "blind" holes for mounting.
Please elaborate....
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| Jeff |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:27 PM
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Actually Paul your mounting is done incorrectly. While you have the top bolt in the correct location you should have the bottom bolt at the top of slotted area. And it should be a lag bolt as you will be below the splashwell for that area. You need to mount the motor this way to allow for height adjustment of the motor's mounting.
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| PaulTarwater |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:37 PM
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See if these work, I am still learning...[img][IMG]http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj226/PaulTarwater/splashwell001.jpg[/IMG][/img]
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:40 PM
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Jeff and Paul,
Those 2 photos were NOT on your PhotoBucket earlier today...
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/jj...lTarwater/
Paul,
You do NOT need 2 [img]........
You must be hitting the keyboard twice to get the 2 [img] links......
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:43 PM
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One more thing I notice........
If the engine was raised up 1 hole, which I think it should be, then the lower hole would mount in the slot...
This would give the engine a way of mounting up another hole if necessary...
Of course, it could not go down but that is usually not necessary...
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| danedg |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:51 PM
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This is the fifth motor on this '63...a 2000 Suzuki 60 4stroke...it uses the same holes as the 1963 Merc 650EL.....
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| PaulTarwater |
Posted on 12/23/07 - 7:55 PM
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Thanks for the info Jeff. The holes were already there for the lagbolts so when I mounted it using the top holes, I checked the cavitation plate height and it was 1/2 inch above bottom dead center of the transom which seemed satisfactory to me (from posts here) so I opted to use the second set of holes so I could through-bolt it. If it performs satisfactorily, I will leave it but if it sprays a lot of water, I'll lag bolt it and adjust it as necessary. I am still struggling with how well a blind fastener would hold in the transom core foam but I know you said in an earlier post they used them quite a bit in the earlier years. What length lag is applicable here? Let me know if the [img] worked. Thanks for any help ! Paul
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| Davidk |
Posted on 12/24/07 - 6:30 AM
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I would be curious to see the opposite side of the Suzuki.
What I describe as "non standard" is anything that was used that is not what is in use today. Mine is a 1963 Johnson 75. The top bolts are standard (they match what is used today). The bottom bolts are only 6" below the top bolts (this doesn't meet with the standards used today). Whaler did this to keep those lower bolts in the splash well. These lower bolts are also 10-3/4" apart (also not meeting todays standards). I still have the original owners manual for the engine. It indicates that for certain boats, one shold use the "extra holes" provided in the mounting bracket. This worked perfect for whalers, but clearly nobody makes their brackets like this anymore.
As a side note: I will not be considering the use of lag bolts.
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| stevendstock |
Posted on 12/26/07 - 11:20 AM
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Mount a manual jack plate and and adjust to the correct height.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/26/07 - 11:30 AM
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Davidk,
I believe the 2 bottom holes your are referring to are the "blind holes" in the OMC engine brackets.
As far as I know, OMC still has these blind holes...
I am not sure about the E-Tec engines however...
A manual jack plate like stevendstock mentions is a great alternative.
Many people mount the jack plate to the boat using the 4 holes that are already in the transom.
Then of course the engine mounts on the jack plate.
This way, there is no hole drilling or filling in the transom...
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| Davidk |
Posted on 12/26/07 - 4:28 PM
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So is anybody shimming the jack plate or engine mount to account for the curvature of the transom?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/26/07 - 4:39 PM
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I've never had a Jack Plate so I can't help you there.
The jack plate isn't one solid piece so I'm not sure if it would fit the curvature or not...
Here is CMC manual jack plate:
CMC Manual Jack Plate
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