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1991 Guardian Need Help
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| dlbarb |
Posted on 09/27/07 - 7:06 AM
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Looking at a 1991 19' Guardian with twin 70 OMC. boat has been sitting for over a year ouside and is a bit rough. Any Idea on a new worth. Motors run but need a tune up and it looks like a new hydraulic steering system is in the works. Lots of electronics T-Top etc. Asking price is $10,000. Single axle alum trailer as well. This boat was a police boat. I was supprised to see this boat is not self bailing. New to the Whaler scene. Any info is appreciated.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 09/27/07 - 7:57 AM
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Any idea how many hours on the motors?
Any photos we can see to help you?
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| Jeff |
Posted on 09/27/07 - 10:05 AM
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You are looking at about a minimum of $1000 worth of work to get the motors in solid working order if they have been sitting for a couple years. If they end up being shot throw another $5000 for rebuilds and that is not including the lower units. The trailer could be another $250 - $500 if any thing like the tires, bearings, bunks, and lights need to be redone. New steering is about $1000 installed. Many hours of wiring and other reworking because nothing any government agency has owned is ever taken care of in any sort of correct manner. The list can go on and on. But these are all things that you need to consider as part of the price of the boat. This will help you come to a conclusion on the right price. Is 10k in the ball park for this boat? With out seeing detailed images I would say maybe but it could be a little high as well.
To give you an idea for pricing My father won this boat at auction on the GSA site. The ad stated the boat was in fair conditon with unkown deficiencies and repairs needed. Unknown if the motors were operational. The winning bid was 12.5k. That price had a lot of unknowns as the boat could not be viewed in person and was bought sight unseen. Plus the fact of not knowing what the extent of the deficiencies are went into the selling price.
Once we got it home and the ice broke we were able to get it started and running. There has been a lot of work that has gone into this boat that you do not see in the images. Lots of wiring and rigging issues, some motor issues, trailer problems, etc. If you are going into this boat looking for a complete turn key boat that will run for a long time with out issues you maybe should look for a good outrage. If you are cool with working on a boat and are handy then this may be a boat for you. Just be realistic with yourself and remember there is no such thing as a steal when it comes to purchasing a boat. Whether the boat is turn key or a project in the end they will end up costing the same once everything is fixed and running right.
Post some images of this boat when you get a chance.
Edited by Jeff on 09/27/07 - 10:10 AM
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| dlbarb |
Posted on 09/27/07 - 11:37 AM
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no pics yet I may go look again this weekend. The motor have about 730 I guess. One gauge say 730 the other 130. No telling. He does have good and even compression all cylinders. Corrosion not terrible but sun fad is horrible. Alot of unkonwns no doubt!!! I like the uniqueness of a small twin boat even if the efficiency is terrible...
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| PaulTarwater |
Posted on 09/27/07 - 11:54 PM
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Aside from the $$, ask yourself "Do I like this boat ??" Do YOU really like it ? If you do, and you feel you and your family/friends would get many years of enjoyment out of it then buy it! Put the amount of money in it necessary to get it in the water and then put the "fun"stuff on it as you go while you are enjoying the boat. That's the fun! Use your gut instinct. That seems like it would be a fun and unique ride with the twins on the back of a 19' and the 70hp motors are dang near bulletproof. I am a "Whaler"newbie too, but I always wanted one and just happened to barter for one 6 weeks ago. I have had a blast getting her back up to speed. If your boat were in TX, I would snatch it up. Life is short!!! My wife always said I needeed 3 boats....Have fun! Paul
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| PaulTarwater |
Posted on 09/28/07 - 1:08 AM
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Jeff is right... Bargain, bargain, bargain with the owner concerning the amount of $$ purchase price versus the amount of $$ that will get it in the water...but also take into consideration how much you like the boat. Set your limit...but also remember that life is short! PT
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| Phil T |
Posted on 09/28/07 - 6:56 AM
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I think you could find a similar 18 Outrage in better shape for that price.
Jeff and Paul have good advice. If you have a burning feeling that "it" is the boat for you, proceed. If not, keep looking there are many Outrage 18 candidates out there. I knew both times I bought whalers which ones were "it".
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