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bilge pump install
delkins	#1  Posted on 07/22/07 - 3:11 PM
Member Posts: 17 Comments: 0 Joined: 06/16/07	just recentlyy bought a 89 17 sport, been reading alot of threads on the bilge deals, wether to leave the plugs in or out, anyway, for those of you that have installed bilge pumps in your sump areas where do you mount or put you discharge hoses, if i do this i want a clean look, not just a pump stuck in the sump area and a hose draping over the transom, i have owned many boats and know the bilge pump discharge usually run from a hose and out the side of the boat through a hole any thoughts or pics of this would be greatly appreciated...
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 07/22/07 - 3:50 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Is this clean enough for you? [img]http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/Montauk/rear-inside.jpg[/img] I would NOT drill any holes for a bilge hose on a 17' model. Mine runs over the top of the splashwell and just dumps there. I recommend always leaving the 1 drain plug in the sump area where the bilge or sump pump should live. Do you have a sump cover? If not, the drawings for one is located on this site. I prefer an automatic/manual bilge pump by Rule... Here is the link to the Rule Mate 750.... #RM750 http://www.rule-industries.com/produc.../index.htm I again prefer the Rule Mate with the automatic feature. Not the R750 which is not automatic. This way, if it rains overnight when the boat is docked, the pump will keep the boat dry. The RM750 fits very nicely inside the sump and the sump cover hides it.
delkins	#3  Posted on 07/22/07 - 4:16 PM
Member Posts: 17 Comments: 0 Joined: 06/16/07	thanks for the reply, yes i have a sump cover, now i see how you run it, just over to the splash well and drains out, that looks good, still don't know if i will put one in, i trailer the boat, but may keep it in a slip during striper season, one day when i was coming back in from fishing i tested to see how much water would come in when i pulled the plug out while waiting on the trailer, quite a bit came in, but i was also standing in the back of the boat so i guess without that extra weight in the rear not that much would have come in ; on another note when i first bought the boat i had a old fish finder with a shoot through transducer, i figured it would shoot through my albemarle so it should shoot through this whaler, wrong, forgot about the foam in the hull, i epoxyed it in the sump area, so now i need to pry this transducer out of the sump area to mount a bilge pump, any ideas? don't want to damage the drain tube area, guess i will have to wait a little for the glue to weaken enough to pry up with a putty knife
MW	#4  Posted on 07/23/07 - 3:06 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1827 Comments: 10 Joined: 01/08/06	I made a template out of cardboard for the rear sump cover, then transfered the template to "Plywood", cut it out, painted it with 3 coats of "Zinser" primer/sealer then matched the final coat to the color of the hull (not bad), and I don't step into the sump anymore when "Aft". Don't drill any holes for the hose in the hull, tranducers are to be mounted "Externally" on a "Whaler", I used the starboard side transom, "port side" is the recommended side, "Joe K." gave me the idea to mount a small 3"x3" piece of wood or "Star-board" with adhesive to the hull first, then drill into "that", not the Hull for mounting the "Transducer". mw Edited by MW on 07/23/07 - 3:08 AM
danedg	#5  Posted on 07/23/07 - 1:19 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 349 Comments: 6 Joined: 01/24/06	Absolutely go with the fully automatic Rule Mate. Mines' been working great for 7 years now...but I have to question dumping the bilge into the well.... My buddy Chris did that on his Eastport... During the big rainstorm...a leaf got wedged into the drain....the level of water rode high enough to submerge the hose....when the pump finished doing it's thing it went from being a great little pump located below the well...to a very efficient siphon! As the transom started getting heavier...it exposed the drain hole to outside water and the process accelerated....with the never ending cycle started,:o it finally killed the battery! Luckily it stopped raining.... It is a VERY good thing these boats won't sink....but they sure can get very short on freeboard when the hull is full! We now run the discharge hoses just aft of the transom....works great and is not objectionable aesthetically....I covered mine with that split jacket stuff, it matches the teleflex, control cables and fuel lines.....
Joe Kriz	#6  Posted on 07/23/07 - 1:22 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Dan, That's a good point about the leaves if you have leaves around the dock area. I guess a napkin or any kind of paper could do the same thing...
danedg	#7  Posted on 07/23/07 - 3:01 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 349 Comments: 6 Joined: 01/24/06	In the Northeast, we've trees everywhere...and leaves...but it could have been anything.... Can't make this stuff up...too dumb.....
danedg	#8  Posted on 07/23/07 - 3:14 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 349 Comments: 6 Joined: 01/24/06	Joe Great pic of your aft portions...... forgive my ignorance....where's your battery?
Joe Kriz	#9  Posted on 07/23/07 - 4:22 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Dan, As far as I am concerned, the battery on the Montauk series belongs in the console. Even Boston Whaler does this now on the newer Montauk 170's... Floor space is at a premium on all 17' models. Not sure where to put the battery on the Nauset or similar models though. The Montauk fuel tank(s) live under the RPS. This makes it perfect to put the battery in the console. Unfortunately, yes, you do give up console space but not that much if you mount the battery in the floor or the console.
Joe Kriz	#10  Posted on 07/23/07 - 4:32 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	I just remembered that my bilge pump hose did not empty directly into the sump area. There are 2 drains in the splashwell of the Montauk 17' thru the transom.... My bilge hose plugged into one of these drains thereby letting the water directly outside the boat. No leaves or debris would stop the water from pumping to the outside....
arthureld	#11  Posted on 07/23/07 - 5:41 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 735 Comments: 7 Joined: 02/15/07	I assume the RM750 will work for my Outrage 20. I just put it in the water on Friday and it rained like hell today. Now there's 4 inches of water on the deck. The RM750 is $71 at West marine, and I'm sure they'll hook me up with the hose and wiring to get it going.
Joe Kriz	#12  Posted on 07/23/07 - 5:52 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Yes.... I have the RM750 in my Outrage 18' and I also put one in my prior Outrage 22'....
danedg	#13  Posted on 07/23/07 - 6:38 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 349 Comments: 6 Joined: 01/24/06	OK... I see that it's time I get busy and start shootin'....... A full photo spread of the layout of my interior. It hasn't changed since day one.... The tank(s) are under the console...the battery is Port Aft, the Pilot Bench carries a bag of Life Safety... Would love to see if somebody has a layout to get that battery out of the rear corner.....!
arthureld	#14  Posted on 07/24/07 - 3:15 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 735 Comments: 7 Joined: 02/15/07	Woohoo, mine's in. Took 10 min. to install and 10 min. to suck my boat dry. Won't have to worry about that anymore.
brooks89	#15  Posted on 07/24/07 - 8:09 PM
Member Posts: 177 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/24/07	I have a Rulemate 500 in my 17' and it's done fine for several seasons. I prefer the idea of a pump that won't activate unless the float moves rather than the ones that periodically switch on and will run if they sense a load on the impellor. BUT the Rulemate will occasionally fail to kick on if the float gets gummy. Do yourself a favor; at least once a month give the pump a good cleaning. The strainer snaps off and the bottom of the pump is held on by two small screws. I use a little Fantastic or 409 to cut the accumulated gunk, grease and oil. If you have a dog that likes to ride in the boat you might be surprised at the fur that will collect in the pump too. The other thing to be careful with these gizmos is to not tighten those screws too much when reassembling the pump. The plastic extrusions that hold the screws are somewhat delicate. Maybe more so after a season of use. If you tighten the screws too much the posts can split. If they split they can decrease the tolerance for the float switch and causing more problems. Rule only gives a one year warranty on their Rulemate Pumps, so take that as a hint to keep an eye on it. I have considered trying a different manufacturer than Rule but the Rulemate 500 & 750 fit perfectly in the 17' Whaler bilge well.
Key-z	#16  Posted on 07/25/07 - 3:34 PM
Member Posts: 102 Comments: 5 Joined: 08/14/06	FYI On my 18' outrage.I have two batteries under my console. We replaced the bottom shelve and made two cut outs to fit the batteries. It works perfect without movement, easy to access and batteries stay nice and dry. Key-z
MW	#17  Posted on 07/26/07 - 2:34 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1827 Comments: 10 Joined: 01/08/06	That's why I put the plywood cover on the sump, it keep's much of the leaves, twigs, etc. from clogging up the bilge pump, while letting the water rise up an 1/8" before spilling into the holes on the plywood bilge cover that I made, the rest of the water seeps slowly through the "Weep" holes that I put in the sides of the plywood cover, so it's always dry (some stuff sometimes hangs it up but, nowhere nearly as often), Also remember that any small amount of spilled fuel will dissolve the boyant material inside the float switch, rendering it useless having to be replaced. I often though of making some sort of strainer for the water channels at the rear, where it drains into the sump. This would stop much debris from getting into the impeller of the bilge pump causing it to fail. mw