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Magic Tilt Trailers
VA Whaler	#1  Posted on 08/19/14 - 10:37 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 335 Comments: 0 Joined: 04/25/13	I'm still searching for a trailer for my 1979 22' Revenge. Specifically I'm looking for a keel roller trailer (minimum 8 rollers set back to back) with a pair of bunks for balance. A Continental dealer was worked tirelessly with the factory to design a trailer for my boat but the price is more than I can handle for a trailer. He wants around 5300! If my boat were relatively new then maybe, but this boat is 35 years old and who knows how much life it has left in it. It has multiple stress cracks in the gelcoat, a slightly lumpy hull from the wobble rollers and I have not had a chance to weigh it. I also do not feel comfortable trailering it to a weigh station on its existing trailer. So I have no idea if the affects of those things along with the failed drains have created serious water intrusion that will eventually cause terminal problems. I feel bad about not going with the Continental (unless he comes down on his price significantly) because they have put in a lot of legwork to custom design the trailer. So I'm looking at a Magic Tilt trailer that I can afford a little better (around $3100) and realistically would probably be the last trailer this boat will know. Does anyone have any horror stories associated with Magic Tilt? And how much would you realistically pay for a trailer this size and design? The trailer I'm looking at is a MC Tandem: http://www.magictilt.com/trailers/gal...galvanized (#8 trailer down the page) The specs match my boat very well and the dealer is in Norfolk (4 hour drive) as compared to FL (12+ hour) Part #BG0200 Model #TMCV2224-7020 H78X15D Boat Length 22'-24' Net Capacity 7020 Total Width 100" Distance Between Fenders 84" Total Length 28' 3" Tire Size ST225/75D15D Trailer Weight 1120 The price the Magic Tilt dealer quoted does not include the Stoltz rollers so I need to find those and will see if I can get the trailer delivered with no rollers to save some money. Thanks! John Edited by Phil T on 08/19/14 - 2:19 PM
Finnegan	#2  Posted on 08/19/14 - 4:13 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	The Continental dealer is gouging you! The $5300 price is ridiculous. A friend just purchased a CTV9-4400, with 3 x 4 tongue and four whee disc brakes, for $2800., including sales tax. Stoltz rollers and SS shafts were extra, and installed later.
VA Whaler	#3  Posted on 08/19/14 - 6:17 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 335 Comments: 0 Joined: 04/25/13	I think so too, Finnegan. Can you do me a favor and send me the dealer info via my email address. Or post it here if you'd rather do that. Thanks John
VA Whaler	#4  Posted on 08/19/14 - 6:33 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 335 Comments: 0 Joined: 04/25/13	Finnegan, the model he quoted is a ctwv2250b-5000 and includes: Spare tire with post 12" Stoltz rollers with ss pins. Doubled on 1st two crossmembers w/ singles forward. SS hardware Guide posts 1 pair of 2 x 4 bunks 4 wheel disk brakes LED Lights 3 x 4 tongue Torsion axles not available It would be a great match for my boat but I was thinking more along the lines of the mid 30s. Edited by VA Whaler on 08/19/14 - 6:42 PM
russellbailey	#5  Posted on 08/20/14 - 9:59 AM
Member Posts: 34 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/13/07	Finnegan is more up on trailer buying than I and has bought numerous like you want. I have a similar trailer under my Outrage 25. Unlike the one Finnegan has, mine is a 10,000 lb capacity trailer with 15" tires, and I think it is on the heavy side for an Outrage 25. His is slightly lower capacity and with 14" tires. Mine rides stiff and I believe likely has higher capacity springs than his - more than I need actually as my all-up loaded weight is only 7,500. I talk about capacity regarding the Magic Tilt you identified. The model you identified is also a 10,000 lb trailer, which is much more than you need for a Revenge 22. If the same model with lower capacities has softer springs, I think one of those would serve you better - I see it listed with 13", 14" or 15" wheel options with increasing capacity with each.
gchuba	#6  Posted on 08/20/14 - 10:31 AM
Member Posts: 1675 Comments: 0 Joined: 03/31/13	John, Russell brings up a good point about over building a trailer. I weighed my boat rigged (anchor, wiring, fishing gear, lead weights, etc...) minus the motor. It came in around 3300 lbs. If I was custom building a trailer for myself I would figure weight of boat at 4000lb, add the trailer weight for axle sizing, and get the largest sized tires with smallest springs to rated capacity. Garris
VA Whaler	#7  Posted on 08/20/14 - 10:33 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 335 Comments: 0 Joined: 04/25/13	Russell and Garris, thanks for your reply and I made a mistake on the Magic Tilt model that I'm looking at. Its the: TMCV2224-5720 F78X14C 14" tires and a 5720 pound capacity. This is more along the lines of what I'd need. Unfortunately it comes with 10" rollers and the dealer is not sure the factory can install 12" rollers on this trailer without substantially changing the price. I do not know but I assume it would not be major hurdle to buy the stock model and install 12" rollers. Has anyone here gone down that road before? I'd guess the space between the mounting holes would be around an inch which I assume would be enough to prevent any major impact to the structure. My purchase will likely be delayed a couple weeks. My old reliable '91 Honda Wagon died on me during the ride to work this morning. Repairs will be around 1K. Normally this sort of thing happens after I make purchase. Hope this was not a warning shot. That said I might have to buy a box of nuts and bolts and patch up my old trailer until things improve. Edited by VA Whaler on 08/20/14 - 10:34 AM
russellbailey	#8  Posted on 08/20/14 - 1:03 PM
Member Posts: 34 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/13/07	The 14" model sounds more appropriate and will have ample capacity for a Revenge 22. The 13" may also have plenty of capacity, as capacity is the boat weight only - it subtracts the trailer weight from it. The bracket mounting holes are the same for 8", 10", 12" brackets etc. The difference is how far the bracket goes beyond the mounting holes. Still, 10", 12" - not a big difference and if mine came with 10" brackets I'd likely have kept them. I'll be taking the axles/springs off my trailer shortly to install torsion axles to hopefully get a better ride. I'll have a full good condition axle/spring/carrier set available - 80" frame width, 102" outside width. If you are interested let me know.
gentilebrian	#9  Posted on 08/21/14 - 11:12 AM
Member Posts: 59 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/13/07	I put probably 20k miles on a eztilt with a 20' boat on a single axle that was pushing the weight limit. Held up find BUT the tail lights cracked off twice without anyone stepping on them. Didn't have any brakes. I also didn't like how far forward the tail lights were from the back of the bunks. Its a cheap trailer but it gets the job done fine.