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V20 Outrage questions???
AK153	#1  Posted on 07/03/07 - 7:05 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 15 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/16/06	Hi everyone, this is my first post here and I thought I may get some help on a V20 Outrage(1978 model). I'm looking at making an offer on an original model that is no queen(pretty neglected) but may ease my mind with a boat permanently moored in a slip 365 miles away. I haven't heard any really negative comments or overly positive comments about them. They seem to have an informational void. My questions are: 1. How do they perform? 2. Would a 200HP( 2 stroke Johnson) be too much power?(repowering) 3. Any problematic areas or out of the ordinary concerns? 4. Fair asking price?(I know this is tough but I haven't seen any being sold to get a comparative) Thanks for any information or thoughts, Mel
Jeff	#2  Posted on 07/03/07 - 7:26 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Mel, Welcome. Here is a thread that is pretty recent on the V-20 How do they perform? Pretty well however, the shallow deadrise does give the V20 a rougher ride than the later 20 Outrage. The later 20' Outrages were pulled from the 22 Outrage mold. Well not literally but, the later 20' Outrages where the same as 22' Outrage hull with 2 feet removed from the stern. What is a fair price? Well what are they asking? Is there a trailer? How is the motor? There was one in Ohio last month that was in good condition with a trailer and blown but running motor. $5500. That was a deal. My guess without seeing the boat you are looking would be $5500 - $10,000 depending on if there is a trailer and how good the motor is. Listing Here is a document I just finished that should help you when looking into a whaler. download here A 200 hp motor I do not believe would be to much power for that hull. But that is just me. Edited by Jeff on 07/03/07 - 7:27 PM 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
Joe Kriz	#3  Posted on 07/03/07 - 8:04 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Mel, The Outrage V-20 is rated for a max of 180 hp.... http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...album_id=8 I don't think a 200 hp would be too wild as long as your insurance company will insure it with a reasonable fee.
Jeff	#4  Posted on 07/03/07 - 8:21 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Since the hull is over 20' you can power beyond the capacity plate with out much (legal and issuance) problems if, any at all. 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
Joe Kriz	#5  Posted on 07/03/07 - 8:26 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Jeff, Actually, the boat is 19' 10" long so it is under 20'.... It's always good to check with your insurance company before you buy.... I hate surprises, especially if my insurance company might decide to double the price after I already bought something. Good to know up front in my opinion... Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/03/07 - 8:29 PM
Jeff	#6  Posted on 07/03/07 - 8:37 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Inches.....yet miles. Thanks Joe! Glad to have you back from Vacation. I wonder if the insurance companies look at LOA or if they go by model designation? 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
AK153	#7  Posted on 07/03/07 - 9:58 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 15 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/16/06	Joe & Jeff, Thanks for the replies and information. There is no asking price, I'm going to make an offer. The boat hasn't been registered or used in years(6 plus) and I'm hoping this may be my diamond in the rough(real rough!) I will take some pictures and post them next week and you can judge for yourself. That may be my safest avenue. It is always nice to have a second opinion. Thanks again. Mel
Tom W Clark	#8  Posted on 07/04/07 - 7:48 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	This is off-topic but I want to respond to a comment Jeff made above. While it is true that boats over 20 feet in length are not required by federal law to be given a maximum horsepower rating, it is NOT true that a boat over 20 feet with a maximum horsepower rating can be overpowered without consequence. It is still overpowered. Any manufacturer can *choose* to give a boat over 20 feet a maximum horsepower rating even if they are not obliged to. Once a boat has a maximum horsepower rating, there it is. If it is on the capacity plate, it is just the same as a rating on a boat less than 20 feet. Whaler always chose to assign maximum horsepower ratings to all their boats. They still do. Sometimes the rating for a given model changed over the years. That is their prerogative SO LONG AS the maximum horsepower rating for boats less than 20 feet does not exceed the value derived from the very simple formula of (width x length) - 90. It should also be pointed out that there is no federal law that prohibits ANY boat from being overpowered. Some states outlaw the practice and many insurance companies (but not all) will not insure a boat that is overpowered, but in these situations, there is no distinction made between boats over 20 feet and boats under 20 feet. Edited by Tom W Clark on 07/04/07 - 7:53 AM
DelawareDan	#9  Posted on 07/04/07 - 10:11 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 328 Comments: 2 Joined: 05/24/07	AK, good luck with your offer... looking forward to seeing the pics! (Get the boat, then worry about the motor!)
AK153	#10  Posted on 07/04/07 - 2:23 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 15 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/16/06	Tom, Thanks for the response. I have been looking for a clean larger Whaler and I might be pushing to hard to make this happen to fill a void. Kind of like the 27' with the Sea Drive in Seattle. I definately agree with you on not overpowering just for liability issues. I was just offered an older 200HP Johnson with approx. 75 hours on it for $4,000. That was my driving point for the whole deal. Having a 20' Whaler-dependable power-moored in my slip is looking real good for around $8,000. Dan, You're correct but I have to be real careful because of available resources in Fairbanks. Larger outboards that aren't beat to snot(village specials) are hard to come by, and shipping will knock your socks off! If I ship anything, I would be better off shipping an entire boat as opposed to an outboard. Thanks again and have a good 4th, Mel
DelawareDan	#11  Posted on 07/04/07 - 6:35 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 328 Comments: 2 Joined: 05/24/07	AK, makes sense to me! I see now why you asked the question the way you did... you had a specific used motor in mind. Thought you were thinking of repowering with new. Let us know if and when the deal flys!
AK153	#12  Posted on 07/24/07 - 7:30 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 15 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/16/06	Hi, Thought I would post some pictures of the V20 in question so here goes! Bow shot: http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m1...007042.jpg Helm: http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m1...007041.jpg Starboard side: http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m1...007040.jpg Well, I talked to the owner who took my name and number but wasn't interested in the sale. The good thing about this boat is almost everthing is there with no big problems and with a little sweat I think it could polish up nicely. Maybe he will give me a ring. Thanks, Mel