|
1972 21 foot Outrage
|
| Loch |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 11:01 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 66
Comments:
0
Joined: 06/08/07
|
Good afternoon, all. New to Whaler Central and my first post.
A couple weeks back my father called and told me that we should go look at a boat his nephew wanted to sell. At the time he called he thought it was a 21 foot Bayliner. When we arrived to look at the boat, the first thing I saw was the Boston Whaler symbol on the back stern side. The boat had been in a warehouse and was in such good shape that my dad and I thought it was a 2000 or later model. The seats and canvas looked brand new and it had a large amount of teak wood which was also in good shape. It has a 175 merc and an aluminum tandum trailer which (appearance wise) looks to be in excellent shape. I was shocked when his nephew told us that it was a 1972. I have searched the web and was able to find this article and pictures of a 1970 that looks almost the same as the 72 I'm considering buying but does not have the ribs.
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/ceta...age36.html
Any thoughts from anyone on how much I should be willing to pay for the 1972?
Thanks for any comments.
|
| |
|
|
| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 11:28 AM
|
Site Owner
Personal Page
Personal Album
Photo Albums
Project Albums
Posts: 11447
Comments:
452
Joined: 03/18/05
|
We also have photos in our section for "Whaler Model/Year Index" photos.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...allery.php
We also have a ribbed model in the above section:
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=11
We also have photos of a restoration in the "Project Gallery" photo section:
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...lbum_id=16
I'm sure some of our members can give you a ballpark figure on what it is worth.
Good Luck....
|
| |
|
|
| Loch |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 11:56 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 66
Comments:
0
Joined: 06/08/07
|
Thanks Joe. If I buy it, I will post photos.
|
| |
|
|
| Jeff |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 12:05 PM
|
Member
Posts: 1987
Comments:
34
Joined: 04/02/05
|
Well first off how much does he want for it? Get him to first throw a number out before you decide. If it is in GREAT shape with a good motor and trailer any thing less than 10k would be a GREAT DEAL. If under $7500 it is a STEAL. 12 - 15k is what I would except a 8 out of 10 1972 banana hull to bring with a really nice and strong motor. To get to a 8 out of 10 it needs to have all the OEM hardware, The hull needs to shine like new, no bottom or well done bottom (none is prefered). Here is what I would label a 10+ out of 10 banana hull whaler 21. It is LHG's 1971 Outrage II.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v42...rage%2021/
1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive |
| |
|
|
| Loch |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 12:45 PM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 66
Comments:
0
Joined: 06/08/07
|
Jeff, thanks for the insight. Based on appearance only and your example of a 10, since I have not ran the engine yet I would rate the boat at a 7-8. Since I can buy the boat for $2K, I would assume it would be worth the money to bring it up to a 10. I know that it is a one owner but I didn't have time the day that I looked at it to see if all the gauges etc were in place. I can say however that all the canvas and upholstery looked almost new. I will post pictures once I pick it up and have time to post them.
Thanks again for you help. I mostly wanted to assure myself that the boat would be worth something if I had to put more money into it. From what you have said, I could afford to buy a new engine and still be in line with the boat's value.
|
| |
|
|
| Bob Kemmler JR |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 1:01 PM
|
Member
Project Albums
Posts: 269
Comments:
7
Joined: 10/10/05
|
If you pass on it, send me the contact info and I won't 
On the hunt for a classic 19 or 21 Whaler |
| |
|
|
| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 1:08 PM
|
Site Owner
Personal Page
Personal Album
Photo Albums
Project Albums
Posts: 11447
Comments:
452
Joined: 03/18/05
|
Loch,
At that price, I would pick it up NOW...... Don't wait...
There will always be people like Bob Kemmler that will jump on it....
That would also include me too..... 
Don't wait and don't tell anyone where it is....
If you do pass on it, yes, let Bob know as he is in Florida....
|
| |
|
|
| Bob Kemmler JR |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 1:10 PM
|
Member
Project Albums
Posts: 269
Comments:
7
Joined: 10/10/05
|
I'd have that sucker parked in a nice comfy shop right next to my 21 Rev/Rage project before you could say cathedral hull
On the hunt for a classic 19 or 21 Whaler |
| |
|
|
| Jeff |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 1:51 PM
|
Member
Posts: 1987
Comments:
34
Joined: 04/02/05
|
GD! 2K. Hell, you could get that so long as it floated matter what it looked like.
Someday, Someday I WILL have something like that finally fall into my lap.
1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive |
| |
|
|
| Buckda |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 2:34 PM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 325
Comments:
2
Joined: 01/15/07
|
Wiping up the puddle of drool in front of my keyboard. $2,000!?
At that price, and if in good shape as described, it's worth flying across the country for and renting a truck to tow her home...you're talking about .00001 percent deal here.
That kind of deal turns up about once every few years. Go for it.
You can buy a newer motor for the boat and still make a profit if you decided to sell.
Dave
|
| |
|
|
| DelawareDan |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 2:52 PM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 328
Comments:
2
Joined: 05/24/07
|
WOW, you lucky duck! Good deal! Do you know what year the engine is?
Dang, with an aluminum tandem trailer to boot. Amazing.
|
| |
|
|
| sraab928 |
Posted on 06/14/07 - 6:58 PM
|
Member
Project Albums
Posts: 1282
Comments:
13
Joined: 12/27/05
|
Why cant these deals be in NJ? Heck I would go to Florida for a deal like that - who am I kidding. Go for it!!
Scott
1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8 |
| |
|
|
| Loch |
Posted on 06/15/07 - 4:36 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 66
Comments:
0
Joined: 06/08/07
|
Thanks everyone. I knew it was a good deal but as I stated ... I wanted to insure it would be worth my investment if I had to put another 10K or so in it to bring it up to "like new" condition. I know that it is a one owner and if they made 175 mercs that year, I assume the engine came with the boat new.
I closed the deal last night without knowing for sure the condition of the engine. The owner says it is in good same but hasn't been run in a few years. He said he bought it new and figured he had gotten his money's worth since 1972.
I will be picking it up next weekend. I will post pictures and more info after I've had it a few days. I am excited about my "new" old whaler and I look forward to bringing it up to a 10.
This is a great site and I can tell from this tread and others that I've joined the right group of dedicated Boston Whaler owners. Best of luck to all.
One last question, how do you insert the smilley faces in your comments because I'm smiling ear to ear?
|
| |
|
|
| JJS |
Posted on 06/15/07 - 6:31 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 19
Comments:
0
Joined: 09/05/05
|
This seller was related to you??? At 2K the boat was stolen from him... I wouldn't want to have to explain the mistake he's made further down the road not to mention the karmic consequences.
|
| |
|
|
| DelawareDan |
Posted on 06/15/07 - 6:41 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 328
Comments:
2
Joined: 05/24/07
|
A willing buyer, and willing seller = a deal. Seller figured he got his money out of it, and is now passing it on to someone in the family at a very sweet price. Seems like the RESULT of good karmic activity!
Loch... maybe twenty years from now, you'll have 'gotten your money out of it' and you can pass it on to your grandson or something!
In the Reply window, just hit one of the smiley/frowny/surprized faces, and it will show up in your reply as the graphic (but it shows up as a colon/parenthesis or something like that before you post) --------> 
Edited by DelawareDan on 06/15/07 - 12:48 PM |
| |
|
|
| filthypit |
Posted on 06/15/07 - 11:30 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 16
Comments:
0
Joined: 11/03/06
|
OH-MY-GOD
you are one lucky son-of-a-gun!!!
congratulations!
|
| |
|
|
| Loch |
Posted on 06/25/07 - 6:04 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 66
Comments:
0
Joined: 06/08/07
|
Good morning, all.
I picked the boat up on Saturday. Needs some work to bring it up to a 10 but the boat and trailer are worth way more than the 2K I paid. Two issues that I need to address on the boat before I do anything else:
1. Wiring ... the wiring is like most old boats, to be right it all needs to be completely replaced. Also, all the guages are original (don't know if they work) but the speed ometer guage lense is boken so I want to replace them all.
Two questions here: 1. Electical: Any suggestions on buying a wiring harness?
Also, where do I buy a complete set of OEM guages for this boat at a reasonable price. (I've read the article on Bombardier guages but couldn't find them on the we
2. Since the boat has been sitting a couple of years, I want to clean the gas tank before running the engine. Any suggestions here?
I would post pictures of the boat but my daugher has my digital camera and is visiting her grandmother for a couple of weeks. I will post some as soon as she returns.
Thanks in advance for any help. 
|
| |
|
|
| DelawareDan |
Posted on 06/25/07 - 6:12 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 328
Comments:
2
Joined: 05/24/07
|
Loch, your task will be more or less involved, depending on how well the boat was de-commissioned when last stored. Of particular note is if your carbs have gas "varnish" which could lead to starvation of a cylinder and do real damage (assuming you can get it to run). I'm moving into the mechanical stage as my hull work progresses, so I'll be watching your thread with interest. Others will give you more specific recommendations, I'm sure. Lots of "old hands" around here!
Another must-do is to change the lower unit oil, which is a simple task. The condition of the oil you remove may tell you a thing or two. It's good to get a manual or manuals for the motor (owner's and service manual). There are aftermarket manual and factory manuals, and prices vary.
The water pump impeller is a little more involved, but the part is cheap, and cheap insurance. An overheated motor can go south real fast (in seconds).
Did you mention what year and model the engine is? Horsepower?
Best wishes for your project. Enjoy the process!
Edited by DelawareDan on 06/25/07 - 6:16 AM |
| |
|
|
| Loch |
Posted on 06/25/07 - 7:01 AM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 66
Comments:
0
Joined: 06/08/07
|
Delawaredan, thanks for you comments. Once I get good gas and wire, I intend to take it and have the engine checked out by someone who knows what they are doing. At minimum, as you suggested, I will have the water pump replaced. I have rebuilt many carberators so I may just do that before I take it to him so he can make final adjustments.
It is a merc 175 Madmax but I forgot to bring the serial number in today so I could check the year. I know it is alot newer than the boat.
Oh, by the way, the stencil number on the boat is 00888. I will have to as Joe about that since it doesn't seem to match the numbering scheme in the articles. But I know the boat is a 1972 Outrage.
Again, thanks for your comments.
|
| |
|
|
| DelawareDan |
Posted on 06/25/07 - 1:52 PM
|
Member
Personal Page
Posts: 328
Comments:
2
Joined: 05/24/07
|
On one of the other thread, Bob Kemmler wrote an excellent post on commissioning an engine, but I can't find it. Will check again.
|
| |
|
