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Motor choice 1988 Outrage 20'
guillermo fortuno	#1  Posted on 01/07/13 - 12:11 PM
Member Posts: 2 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/01/11	I understand 200 hp is the max on a 20' Outrage 1988. So I can use twin 100 Yamaha.? They weight 370lb and 374lb. I trying to get the fastest engine I can get without enjury the transom. Thank you again and hope you enjoy the hollidays.
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 01/07/13 - 12:19 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Look at the 200 hp choices here: http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=110 Also look at the 90 hp choices here: http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=5 Does anyone make a 100 hp at this time? Edited by Joe Kriz on 01/14/13 - 12:55 PM
Marko888	#3  Posted on 01/07/13 - 12:35 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	It looks like both Yamaha and Suzuki offer their inline 4, 4 strokes in other markets at the 100hp level, but not for North America.
Phil T	#4  Posted on 01/07/13 - 1:35 PM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	If you are looking for speed, a single 200 hp with a 8 hp kicker will be less weight and a lot less money. I am guessing you want twins for open ocean cruising. Make sure you have the right propellers so you can plane off on only one engine.
Tom W Clark	#5  Posted on 01/07/13 - 1:42 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	750 pounds of outboard on the transom of a 1988 Outrage 20? No way. Don't do it. You will end up spending a huge amount of money for a boat that is always taking water over the transom and tends to porpoise. A pair of yamaha F100s will not be nearly as fast as a single 200 HP outboard, which will cost quite a bit less money as well as get better fuel mileage and be more reliable.
kamie	#6  Posted on 01/13/13 - 11:48 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	Drop a E-Tec 200HP at 433# and go for it. Skip the 4-stroke extra weight and stick with a two stroke. Even a Merc 225HP at 520# would be a better option than a 4 stroke.
Finnegan	#7  Posted on 01/13/13 - 3:40 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Fastest 200HP engine for an Outrage 20? My list would be: 1. Mercury 200 Optimax Pro XS (EDIT: this will not work as it is only available with a 20" shaft) 2. Mercury 200 Optimax 3. Evinrude 200 HO 4. Verado 200 supercharged 4-stroke 5. Soon to be available new Yamaha 200 4-stroke. Although the Evinrude is the heaviest mentioned, all are fairly close in weight around 515# in 25" shaft length. This is a hp range where twin "anythings" are pretty heavy because of the 3 star technology required. To get close to the speed of a single 200, you could go with twin Mercury or Evinrude 2-stroke DFI 115's, but weight would be around #750# total. Edited by Joe Kriz on 01/14/13 - 1:03 PM
Joe Kriz	#8  Posted on 01/13/13 - 3:55 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Although the Evinrude is the heaviest mentioned, all are fairly close in weight around 515# in 25" shaft length. Larry, Take a look at that chart again. The Evinrude 200 HO weighs 503 pounds for the 25 inch shaft. ALL of the other motors you list are heavier then 503 pounds for the 25 inch shaft model. So, the Evinrude is the lightest in the 200 hp motors with the exception of the Yamaha 200 HPDI which is not CARB3 rated.
Joe Kriz	#9  Posted on 01/13/13 - 4:37 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Ringleader, A Yamaha 200 four stroke offshore weight is 505 lbs in a 25 inch shaft. I do not see a Yamaha 200 four stroke offshore listed on Yamaha's website. The Yamaha 200 they list shows a weight of 608 pounds. I think you are referring to older 2 stroke technology. Please read up on the new 2 stroke technology. A 4 stroke is definitely not the only way to go. Edited by Joe Kriz on 01/13/13 - 5:57 PM
Finnegan	#10  Posted on 01/13/13 - 4:40 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Joe - As you know I don't know much about Evinrude, but in looking at their website on the 200 HO, the engine weights are very confusing. They show one model 25" weighing 524# and 20" engines weighing 509. Is that 503 a misprint? The other point is that when Bass and Walleye magazine did a test of the Evinrude, Yamaha and Merc 200 HP 20" engines, they found ALL MISREPRESENTED the engine weights, with Mercury the smallest amount and being the lightest weight engine, and Evinrude understating weight the most. The 20" 200 HO they actually weighed was something like 565# if I remember correctly. The article has since been removed from the web. I doubt if the Japanese manufacturers are exempt from understating weight also. Yamaha was in the middle in that article regarding the 200 HPDI. The Mercury 200 Optimax is a 3 star engine, not 2 star. Edited by Finnegan on 01/13/13 - 4:41 PM
Joe Kriz	#11  Posted on 01/13/13 - 4:44 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Larry, Yes, things can get confusing. I can only go by what the respective websites list on their site. Nothing more and nothing less. I try and keep up with the changes they post. One thing about Mercury, is they list all the motors on my chart as 20 inch shaft versions. All the other brands show the weight of a 25 inch shaft version. That just seems to me that Mercury likes to make their motors appear lighter then the competition by not listing the weight of the 25 inch version. I am so annoyed with Mercury about this that I now show to "Add 20 lbs. to the weight for a 25 inch shaft". Honda shows a difference of 22 pounds between a 20" long shaft and the 25"extra long shaft. Mercury may weigh even more as they don't say. Edited by Joe Kriz on 01/13/13 - 7:06 PM
Tom W Clark	#12  Posted on 01/13/13 - 4:54 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Anyone's two stroke will barely get 2 miles per gallon. That is utter nonsense. Even a 20 year old conventional two stroke can do way better than that. Modern DFI two strokes can equal or exceed the fuel economy of modern four stroke outboards.
Tom W Clark	#13  Posted on 01/13/13 - 5:04 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	There is no such thing as a 200 HP Yamaha Offshore. The new (last year) 4.2 liter Yamaha 225 Offshore (the smallest in that family) weighs 562 pounds, dry. The venerable 3.3 liter Yamaha F200 weighs 608 pounds, dry. Yamaha has announced a new 200 HP model, the F200F, which is a four cylinder of only 2.8 liters (it appears to be based on the F150). It is supposed to weigh around 500 pounds, dry. It will not be available in the US market at least until March.
Tom W Clark	#14  Posted on 01/13/13 - 5:17 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	The Evinrude 2.6 liter E-TEC 200 weighs only 433 pounds. The 3.3 liter E-TEC 200 H.O. (DHX) weighs 503 pounds. The 3.3 liter E-TEC 200 H.O. (HCX) weighs 524 pounds. All three of these models are 25" shaft length which is what the Outrage 20 requires.
Tom W Clark	#15  Posted on 01/13/13 - 5:18 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Larry -- That report from (the now out-of-business) Bass and Walleye Magazine was discredited. Before B&W folded that had to print a retraction admitting their mistakes.
kamie	#16  Posted on 01/13/13 - 5:26 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	Ringleader wrote: On an 18 foot Whaler, it will get about 4.5 miles per gallon at cruising speed. Anyone's two stroke will barely get 2 miles per gallon. I am thinking you should take a ride with an E-Tec on the back of an 18 Outrage. My 175HP does way better than 2mph, depending on conditions and what speed i am cruising at easily 4.5MPH or better. Probably should define "cruising speed" cause everyone is different. I am going to assume given the location of the OP that we are talking about boating in the ocean. I personally wouldn't bother with the H.O. version unless you get really flat water and a lot of the time. I would think the standard 200HP would push the boat fast enough for the conditions. Edited by kamie on 01/13/13 - 5:29 PM
Joe Kriz	#17  Posted on 01/13/13 - 6:34 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	I just created a new list for Classic 20' models "Current Engine Choices". http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=110 At this time I just show the 200 hp choices. I will be adding the 175 hp choices as soon as I can get to it. As a reminder to everyone, these are the "Current" motors available from the respective websites. All specifications are taking directly from these websites. Evinrude, Honda, Mercury, Suzuki, and Yamaha. These Quick Reference Guides helps let us know the weight compared to other models and what is available at this time. The topic for this discussion is about a motor(s) for a 1988 Outrage 20' http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...album_id=9
Joe Kriz	#18  Posted on 01/14/13 - 4:30 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	I finished the "Quick Reference Guide" for the 20' Whalers today and added the 175hp models. I am really disappointed in Mercury as they are the only ones that don't list the weight of their 25" shaft models. They seem to be playing games in that department. Really misleading or trying to trick the public. So, I have added in Red with an * to add 15 pounds to the weight of all Mercury motors because all they list is a 20" shaft. It is up to us to guess the weight of longer shaft motors. You can readily see, by far, that Evinrude is the lightest in its class and also has the lightest 200hp motor @433 pounds. Honda and Yamaha have the heaviest with Suzuki not far behind. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=110
Marko888	#19  Posted on 01/15/13 - 7:02 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	Does the 1986-1989 Outrage 20 have the same porpoising tendencies as the earlier V-20 Outrage? If so, the 433lb Evinrude v6 is likely the smart choice.
Phil T	#20  Posted on 01/15/13 - 7:53 AM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	No it does not. The 1986+ version has a different hull design than the 1979-1985 Outrage 20, also called the V-20 in 1979 . While the 1st generation had a rounded hull in the stern (similar to the Montauk), the 2nd version had the true V all the way to the stern.