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1988 Outrage 22 Motor Size
whlr13	#1  Posted on 12/10/12 - 12:40 PM
Member Posts: 25 Comments: 1 Joined: 12/23/08	Just convinced friend to purchase -22 Outrage in place of his 17 ft SS 1985-which is for sale Trying to figure motor size- is 175 adequate 225 too much 200 perfect No overkill or under power Should have bought it myself but too many (5) like most Thanks He will be fishing the Chesapeake Bay area, take out his G Kids and generally too around THANKS Edited by Joe Kriz on 12/10/12 - 12:48 PM
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 12/10/12 - 12:47 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	See this article we have on Current Engine Choices. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...p?cat_id=4 I would suggest a 200 or 225 hp motor.
mtown	#3  Posted on 12/10/12 - 1:25 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 613 Comments: 5 Joined: 07/06/08	I have a 22' outrage cuddy with a 1988 200 hp Yamaha. It seems like perfect power to me. A friend had a 225 johnson on a 22' open and it also seemed fine.Both motors are very thirsty. My concern would be the added weight of a four-stroke. I am a huge Yamaha fan and love the fuel usage of the 115 4-stroke I have on another boat. I guess the e-tech is a great option, but why is no other manufactuer doing what they are? That scares me until those motors have been around for years. When I buy stuff, I keep it forever. I would like to know the decision as I would like to re-power mine at some point [for fuel economy only].
Joe Kriz	#4  Posted on 12/10/12 - 1:33 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	The 200 E-Tec @433 pounds is the lightest motor in its class. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=30 Several members have this motor on their 22' Outrage. http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...ser_id=271
kamie	#5  Posted on 12/10/12 - 4:11 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	Tell him to drop a 200HP E-Tec. If he is down anywhere near the Northern Neck, have him call York River Marine, don't hang up until you get a live body.
Marko888	#6  Posted on 12/10/12 - 5:25 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	I have a very good friend who has an old 150 v6 two stroke on his Outrage 22 with the added weight of a pilot house. I would say this is minimum power for the hull. He is very happy with it for BC Coastal use though. Top speed is in the low to mid 30's. Edited by Marko888 on 12/10/12 - 5:31 PM
Joe Kriz	#7  Posted on 12/10/12 - 6:52 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Marko, I am glad you edited your post. The Yamaha F200 you suggested weighs in at 608 pounds. Let me suggest this: Go somewhere, another state, providence, country, whatever. Take a test ride in someone's boat with an E-Tec on it. Then give us your personal experienced opinion rather then listening to someone else's. I for one would like to hear your personal experience in using an E-Tec.
creichart	#8  Posted on 12/10/12 - 7:43 PM
Member Posts: 27 Comments: 0 Joined: 07/14/08	I have a Honda 225 on my 1979 22' open w/ T-Top...she sits nicely on her lines, and cruises easily around 24 knots, tops around 36 knots...and of course she's pretty good on fuel, though no performance numbers to pass along.
Marko888	#9  Posted on 12/10/12 - 7:50 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	Hi Joe, yes the current F200 is very heavy, but the one that is on it's way weighs the same as the current F150 read about it here: http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/y...eight-f200 It may be a year away...just like the Suzuki 140A, which though still not on the Suzuki website, is supposed to arrive in Canada in the new year. I have no doubt a new ETEC would perform VERY well... the 2-stk advantages are very clear, but performance is not my concern. Edited by Marko888 on 12/10/12 - 7:52 PM
whlr13	#10  Posted on 12/10/12 - 7:57 PM
Member Posts: 25 Comments: 1 Joined: 12/23/08	Thanks for feed back Found a Suzuki 200 but rumor has it Not good dlr support Merc has 4 cyl engine - expensive 200hp Yamaha coming out with one beginning if Year Whaler dlrs gravitate to 200 Hp Weigh major concern He is in no neck where Potomac and Chesapeake meet - fantastic area Caught 30 rock couple of weeks ago Will keep U posted Whlr13
Joe Kriz	#11  Posted on 12/10/12 - 8:53 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Let's forget about 2 stroke versus 4 stroke. Let's look at the new engines available today. All are quiet. All have good fuel economy. Almost all are CARB 3 rated. (NOTE: if they are not CARB 3 rated, I would NOT buy) All are expensive. So, weight is important on the back of a Classic Whaler. I would look at the weight and local dealer support. I would also listen to people with first hand experience. I would NOT listen to people who told me their brothers, wife's friend, knew someone down the road that said that a certain motor brand was not good. Do not believe in 2nd hand rumors is my point. There are plenty of people here that can give you their first hand experience with different brands of motors. If they haven't owned that brand, then they can't give you first hand experience unless they have been onboard and/or tested one out. whlr13, I don't understand what weight you are concerned about. E-Tec 200 @433 pounds isn't too heavy for an Outrage 22'. That is actually very light compared to all other new models. Twin 70's would weigh in @ 500 pounds for the older original classic motors. Twin 115's would weigh even more. The Outrage 22' was rated for up to 240 hp. http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...album_id=1 I agree with your dealer. 200 hp but not the heavier 4 stroke models. That article on the new F200. It weighs in at 227 kilos = 500 pounds Not bad weight but here is a problem that I see here in the US. It prefers to run on 95 Octane which is recommend. 91 Octane E10 fuel was suitable but could see a slight reduction in horsepower. Apparently it won't like 87 Octane regular E10 fuel that most of us get here in the US. I guess there goes some fuel economy in the price of the fuel. Edited by Joe Kriz on 12/10/12 - 9:54 PM
Marko888	#12  Posted on 12/11/12 - 12:29 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	Fuel is rated differently in Australia. They use the RON standard, which is 4-5 points higher than our (R+M/2) method. RON 91 is equivalent to our 87.
whlr13	#13  Posted on 12/11/12 - 5:47 AM
Member Posts: 25 Comments: 1 Joined: 12/23/08	Thanks All good info Also Noted in article on merc 4 Stroke - hi octane requirement 6 cyl four strokes "were" a consideration Prior to finding others options and I'm sure your aware of their- Yamaha/merc weight Have to get more feedback and price On evinrude as well as support in our area Heard both good and bad-rumors as u Quote but it could work There is a Yamaha dlr in fl- good reputation That deals in like bew used engines big time He has them all- low hours btw $5000-$10000 range Amazing whatever do for our friends To get them into whalers Thanks again Whlr13
SpongeBob	#14  Posted on 12/11/12 - 6:06 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 80 Comments: 0 Joined: 06/11/05	Could you share the name of this Florida dealer? Jeff 1982 22' Outrage
whlr13	#15  Posted on 12/11/12 - 6:21 AM
Member Posts: 25 Comments: 1 Joined: 12/23/08	Russ palm beach outboards Yamaha dlr in riviera beach Has some really nice engines Seems to be straight uP Edited by Joe Kriz on 10/08/16 - 2:21 PM
Joe Kriz	#16  Posted on 12/11/12 - 12:05 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Marko888 wrote: Fuel is rated differently in Australia. They use the RON standard, which is 4-5 points higher than our (R+M/2) method. RON 91 is equivalent to our 87. Thanks for the info. All I saw stated in the article was "Octane" and "Kilos". The weight is certainly improved knocking off 108 pounds. Wonder how they did that exactly. Looking forward to seeing this new model in everyday use. One thing in the article doesn't make sense to me. The arrival of the F200 will allow boats previously restricted to engines in the 150hp class to now upgrade to higher horsepower. This will have appeal for new boat buyers and also anglers wanting to re-power existing boats. If a boat is rated for a max hp of 150, how can it then "upgrade to a higher horsepower"? If they are talking just about weight only, and not max hp, then this would be possible. A little misleading though, the way I read it. The biggest thing most of us have against 4 strokes is the higher weight. The newer Yamaha 70 @257 pounds has lost a lot of weight which is now a good choice for 15' and 16/17' models. Or even twins on some models. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=5 This new F200 @500 pounds seems that it might be a good option for the 22' models.
Marko888	#17  Posted on 12/11/12 - 12:29 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	The new F200 lost weight by going down in physical size from a 3.3L V6 to an inline 4 at 2.8L. With this change, I suspect it may make less torque, but we'll have to wait and see. More repowering options for our beloved classics is a good thing!