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Throttle cable help
rogerhoward	#1  Posted on 09/23/10 - 8:42 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	I've got a 1978 Evinrude 55hp with a two stick Evinrude Simplex control - you can see pics in my project album. My control cables are way too long, and one of the ends (the shifter's connector on the engine end) just broke, so I figure it's time to replace both with new, properly sized cables. Everything I've read seems to say I'd need a Type 400 cable - Teleflex's identification guide says twin-lever controls (check!) and pre-1979 Evinrudes (check!) take Type 400. But the connectors at the engine end sure look like the connectors on the Type 479. I've not taken my Evinrude Simplex apart so I'm not positive what the connectors look like on that end. It's possible I need a Type 400 on the control end, and a Type 479 connector on the engine end... do I buy the Type 400 cable, and some kind of connector kit for the engine side?
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 09/23/10 - 9:58 AM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	You should get the cables that have OMC connectors built-in on both ends. NO adapters should be needed.
rogerhoward	#3  Posted on 09/23/10 - 10:02 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	That's the 479 cables then? They look right (at least on the engine side - like I said, haven't seen the cable end on the control side yet)... Thanks Joe!
Derwd24	#4  Posted on 09/23/10 - 10:10 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Best to open the control box and verify what's on that end as it'll need to be opened anyway to replace the cables and doing that now will prevent ordering the wrong ones... Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
rogerhoward	#5  Posted on 09/23/10 - 10:25 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	Yes, good advice. After 10 months of work, deliberate, cautious, measure-thrice kind of approach... now that it's all together and water-worthy, I guess I'm just antsy to keep her in business! Another question - in measuring for a replacing, do I measure the path the cable will follow plus a bit of slack (say, a foot?) to account for the motor movement? Or do I need a loop? I've seen people recommend measuring and then adding anywhere from 1 to 4 (!) feet in length... I'd love to tidy this part up - I've got a huge loop right now, and would love to have none but if it's strictly needed what is the recommended loop size?
Joe Kriz	#6  Posted on 09/23/10 - 11:04 AM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Yes, take a look at both ends of your cables. Also look for a number on your cables. It seems 1979 is the year where cables changed. Check some prices here. http://www.surplusunlimited.com/Merch...ode=0300-4
rogerhoward	#7  Posted on 10/07/10 - 9:04 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	Bringing this thread back to live. Please see the last several pictures in my project album for reference in this thread. I ordered a Type 479 cable for my 1978 Evinrude 55hp to connect with my old Evinrude Simplex controls (seen in my project album). I'm replacing cables because the motor-side connector of one of the cables broke my third time out, and because the cables were too long. I'm having trouble identifying a cable with the correct connectors on both ends for my setup. I bought a Type 479 as it clearly had the right motor-side connector, but the control-side is wrong. It's possible there was never a cable made with the right connectors on both ends, but the fact is I have two cables that previously worked. What do I need to get to make this setup work? Thanks!
Derwd24	#8  Posted on 10/07/10 - 10:02 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Roger, Can you clarify a bit.. In the first picture of your control cables, control box end, are both ends the same or is the lower cable end the one that's shown in the next picture? So essentially there are 2 different types of cable ends used inside your control box? (one being just the wire end that gets locked down with a screw, and the other being the plastic housing in the second picture?) Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
rogerhoward	#9  Posted on 10/07/10 - 10:22 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	The picture "26 Control Cable Ends" shows the ends of the throttle and shifter cables - both ends are actually the same, just one is a bit twisted for some reason. The picture "27 Cable Connectors (Motor)", the cable end on the bottom is the connector for the controls that came on the Type 479 cable... obviously, it doesn't match what I had before, and doesn't fit into the white plastic sleeve shown in the next picture. In picture "28 Control Box Receiver" the cable enters the box on the top left; it slips into the white plastic sleeve; and the end of the cable (shown in the first picture) is retained with a screw that passes through the hole in the plastic sleeve (the hole can be seen on the right end of that sleeve). One thought that occurred to me initially is that perhaps instead of removing the cable from the white plastic sleeve, perhaps the whole sleeve should be removed and somehow I could hook up the connector shown in 27 Cable Connectors (Motor)", but on closer inspection I don't see how that'd work. The other type of cable, a Teleflex Type 400, doesn't have the right connector on the *motor* end, but looks like it would work on the control end. <confused>!
Derwd24	#10  Posted on 10/07/10 - 11:16 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Not sure if you've gone this route yet, but it might be worth taking a look. Click on the link below to go to the Evinrude parts site: http://shop2.evinrude.com/Index.aspx?...p;siteid=1 In the upper left on the page that opens, under the Parts tab, there's a pull down menu that says Evinrude, click that and select OB Accessories from the list. Then scroll all the way to the bottom of the left hand column and select 1972 (earliest on the list). Now select Remote Control 1972 and click on Remote Controle Single Motor (not Single Lever Remote Control) The cables shown are used up to 1979 when it appears they changed to the style you received for your new cables. The control end looks like what you have, the motor end seems to be a little more cylindrical, but look at the hardware used to connect to the engine and see if it's the same as what you have. If so, these may well work. Take a look and let us know what you think. Edited by Derwd24 on 10/07/10 - 11:19 AM Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
rogerhoward	#11  Posted on 10/07/10 - 11:21 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	Yes, looking at Part 95 on the 1972 Remote Control, that's the same style of connector I need. I'm looking at this image: http://shop2.evinrude.com/cgi-bin/Img...amp;ilRE=8 So the real question is, where do I find the right cable - with that connector on the control end, and the connector I previously received (from Type 479 cables) on the motor end? It's clearly not the Teleflex Type 479; from pictures online, the Type 400 doesn't look like it matches either (it definitely doesn't have the right connector type on the motor end). Thanks!
Derwd24	#12  Posted on 10/07/10 - 11:34 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	That link you posted shows the single lever control though, if you click on the one for single motor, you'll see your set up. If the engine end connectors you have now are the same as on the 1972 dual lever control I lead to above - Part #41 "Casing Guide" you can pick one up to at least get back on the water. And though they don't have all lengths of cable available on that page, they do have some depending on what you want to go with. Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
rogerhoward	#13  Posted on 10/07/10 - 11:40 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	Yep, that's the right one. Part 41 is indeed what broke. My challenge is I'd like to replace the cable with something shorter - I have a huge loop in the back... the cable came with the controls, and I used it a few times but had planned to replace with a shorter cable - when part 41 broke I figured it was time! Any idea what type of cable I need to buy? I can buy part 41 separately if needed. Is that a Type 400 cable? I suppose I can order the Cable Assembly (#51 on that page - 8' would work fine) from Evinrude, but it's not clear if I also have to buy all the other parts too. Thanks!
Derwd24	#14  Posted on 10/07/10 - 11:56 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	I think when you order the cable, all you'll get is the cable and not the motor end parts. That's the way it is for those earlier set up's. You may be able to find it from an aftermarket mfr, but you'll have to do some leg work to make sure everything matches up. If it were me, I'd inspect the Casing Guide on the other "good" cable and see if it's in decent shape. If so and you can get it apart and off the old cable intact, and all the connecting hardware on both of the ones you have now are re-usable, just order one new from BRP along with 2 of the 8' cables (make sure that's the length you need) and you'll be good to go. I'd probably also pick up 2 of part #42, the o-ring that goes between the cable and the Casing Guide as the old ones are probably shot. Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
rogerhoward	#15  Posted on 10/07/10 - 12:13 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	I had already tried to disassemble the old cable end in hopes I could perhaps transplant parts of it to the new cable... it's all pretty ancient and seemed completely fused, but I'll give it another go. I'd really love to just replace the whole set... I'll use that image as a parts guide and see if I can find what I'm looking for in whole, or at least several parts. Just to be sure, this isn't a "Type 400" cable then?
Derwd24	#16  Posted on 10/07/10 - 3:06 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Take a look at the link below. On p. 200 the type 400 cable is listed and shown in the picture as CC170 and is used with the Engine Connection Kit shown on P 216 http://issuu.com/marineteleflex/docs/...s?mode=a_p Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
rogerhoward	#17  Posted on 10/07/10 - 3:11 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 101 Comments: 4 Joined: 08/16/09	Ah hah! That's what I need. A type 400 cable, along with the appropriate engine connection kit... bingo! Thanks so much Dave!
Derwd24	#18  Posted on 10/07/10 - 4:20 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	You're welcome, glad to help. Also wanted to point out that on P 197 are instructions for how to measure the boat for the length cable you'll need. Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Gamalot	#19  Posted on 10/08/10 - 5:40 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1086 Comments: 3 Joined: 06/21/10	Derwd24 wrote: Take a look at the link below. On p. 200 the type 400 cable is listed and shown in the picture as CC170 and is used with the Engine Connection Kit shown on P 216 http://issuu.com/marineteleflex/docs/...s?mode=a_p Thumbs Up Dave! That is some very valuable info and worthy of maintaining on the site for future reference. We all tend to run in to these issues and the photos shown are an excellent place to start. I already have new cables and a new Morse single binnacle control that came with my 1974 Montauk with 1984 EV. I have not yet reached the point of installation but I am certain this info will help guide me. I still have the old cables with the correct ends and do hope they can all be reused and refitted. Gary