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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 03/03/12 - 11:00 AM
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Let us simplify this one to one question.
Can you afford to keep paying these prices?
If the answer is Yes..
The demand is met and prices will keep climbing.
If the possibility of agreeing to boycot this type of gouging is organized..
The reduced demand will naturally bring the prices down.
Does that make sense?
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ritzyrags wrote:
Let us simplify this one to one question.
Can you afford to keep paying these prices?
If the answer is Yes..
The demand is met and prices will keep climbing.
If the possibility of agreeing to boycot this type of gouging is organized..
The reduced demand will naturally bring the prices down.
Does that make sense?
Not to me. Boycotts generally only work when the supplier has no other outlet for their goods. You can boycott a local gas station to the point where you'll put them out of business, but you'll have zero effect overall on gas prices. In order for a boycott against high gasoline prices to be successful it would have to be a worldwide effort. On the other hand, a U.S.-only boycott would have some impact, but probably minimal, and only for as long as it took for suppliers to shift more of their product (crude, refined, natural gas) into export channels that already exist.
I think a more realistic response is, when purchasing new things, to buy as fuel efficient a thing as possible.
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Well, it happened again yesterday.
I went into town running some errands...
The price was $4.45 a gallon for diesel.
On the way home, they were changing the signs again....
I didn't hang around to see what price it was going to but I can almost guarantee you the price was not being reduced...
I think I have learned my lesson..
Don't go into town anymore....
I think they see me coming and raise the price..................
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Posted on 03/03/12 - 6:12 PM
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Reality is what WE make it to be, my Friends.
The mentality IS already out there.
I have seen that on certain times of the week,an effort has been made to NOT PURCHASE fuel from any outlets.
Not an easy thing to do I will admit..But look at the alternative from Europe as an example.
We all do recall of those little tiny cars that they drive because of exorbitant fuel prices.
Can you spell Yaris?
I am still driving my Chevy Tahoe but my next vehicle will have to be a diesel power.
As far as outboard I still have my smoker Mercury 150 two cycle.Not much economy there but it is all paid for.
I have been fueling up at Costco where the price is "better" then anywhere else and the Octane content is noticeably better.
Cut backs, less money spent on fuel is the inevitable direction to be taken by the vast majority of our populations.
After all it is not everyone who can right off fuel costs as an expense.
I think that we CAN bring the price down by reducing our consumption.
PS- Regular Unleaded is$ 1.35/Liter this morning.
Roughly 4l/Gal= $5.40per gal
And there is an apparent 15% increase due for spring..
Can we do something about it?
Yes, Buy much less.Together.
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Posted on 03/04/12 - 8:14 AM
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There is something we can do about it and we do it every two years.
We have an overabundance of gas and oil here in the United States and the gas companies are shipping it overseas. And they're just sticking it to the consumer, What do they care. I do respect the right of a business to make money but doesn't oil and natural gas belong to the United States. Why should they go overseas. Speaking of natural gas is anybody ever seen natural gas run outboards?
In closing here, on my soap box, where the heck do they get these prices that they say gas going for. it's been well over four dollars for some time here in Southern California. If you go to an independent are what I call a cheap gas station. You're lucky to get out of there for $4.25. 9/10. I would love to buy gas at 350 a gallon 370 a gallon. Like they say on the news. Living in California we have a special blend as there are many different blends throughout the states. One thing they could do is go to one blend of gasoline so it can be traded between the states and not just one state. Okay I'm off my soapbox
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Posted on 03/04/12 - 3:04 PM
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Guts wrote:
Living in California we have a special blend as there are many different blends throughout the states.
I'm a temporary California resident, and the prices here are killing me...$77 into my half full truck the other day.
Could you PLEASE tell the rest of your California buddies to quit voting for the hippies that are doing this to us!?
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Posted on 03/04/12 - 3:58 PM
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FlyAU98 wrote:
Guts wrote:
Living in California we have a special blend as there are many different blends throughout the states.
I'm a temporary California resident, and the prices here are killing me...$77 into my half full truck the other day.
Could you PLEASE tell the rest of your California buddies to quit voting for the hippies that are doing this to us!?
I thought I did in my last post, by the way I have a GMC Safari work van in arise between 80 and $90. Sometimes a little over to fill the tank depending on how low I run it. not much left over cash at the end of the week to put gas in the boat. this gas thing is going to throw us back another recession I fear. As the price of gas not only affects our recreational use of our vessels. It also affects everything we buy right down to the fishing gear that you buy.
remember, were in that two-year cycle again
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Posted on 03/04/12 - 5:14 PM
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I hope to use more gas in my Whaler than I did last year. (last year was a bad year for me). But I'm reconsidering towing it across the state. The mileage on the tow vehicle sucks (no pun intended) when I've got the boat on the back.
I don't see much chance that gas will ever be cheap (whatever that bring to mind) again. With China and India coming on line as major importers, demand is only going to go up. Econ 101, Increased demand and stable or declining supply = increased prices.
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Posted on 03/04/12 - 8:48 PM
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Well put Fish,
Lets look at it this way.
We can be like bleating sheeps or just perhaps
One of these mornings,
Have gotten up with a sour taste in our mouth and feel rather Foul about the recollection of the latest gas price.
To be fleeced and taken advantage of
for ..
Oh,...for the last two decades (at least)
Has a way to rub people the wrong way after a while.
As a case in history
That is why Professor Guillotin was made famous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph-I..._Guillotin
Don't you think that it is vastly overdue for a reckoning from the people like you and I?
Consumers,(What a dumb ass word)have a duty to respond.
There was a time where the term used was Citizens!
The big picture will prove to show that the Mega vehicle manufacturer's owners and Big Oil Conglomerates will have a common interest in making vehicles (or outboards for that mater)that will burn and make mega bucks for those oil and manufacturing invested interests
(Could most likely be one and the same magabucksters here)
The only power of decision that the average Citizen will have is.
A- To fill up and pay ridiculous prices or abstain
B-Refusing to do so.
Just like a drug habit clinical case
The condition has to be inter vented and dealt with great discipline and intelligence.
Can the Glutton stop his hand from feeding his cravings?
It is all up to us to think it through.
I can actually see a movement aimed at buying shipments of fuel by the tankers and starting a trend toward fairer prices.
And for the rest of you skeptics out there.
It is pretty hard to soar and fly like an eagle when you've been plucked and have just a few feathers left.
Are you really in control of your spending?
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 8:22 PM
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we have the E-10 fuel around Houston TX
regular pump gas was $3.53 today and add .10 for same at the coast, dock fuel adds ,50
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 7:50 PM
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Its time to break out the oars.
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 7:54 PM
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I'm thinking about getting a P-row boat and making a hitch for my bicycle to pull it with.
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Posted on 03/07/12 - 5:08 AM
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Just an idea here.
Because of poor demand Chevrolet has stopped making the Chevy volt. Maybe they could take that technology and make a outboard engine. They say that this car will do 35 miles which would meet my needs for a day at the water. Or maybe whaler could purchase an engine and drivetrain and make an in board out of it. Chevrolet is overstocked with these vehicles and that's why they're closing the plant and laying off people for a month. A lot of tax dollars went into bailing out. Chevrolet to promote this green car and now they're closing the plant down. Go figure
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Posted on 03/07/12 - 5:53 AM
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If the media would close there mouth about gas prices it might help. If I was a station owner I would be happy to hear the news channels saying that the prices are going up. Its an invitation to raise them.
I know its alot more complicated than the media, but can they just shut up already!! Just sayin.
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Posted on 03/07/12 - 6:01 AM
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An electric outboard would be interesting if you could balance performance with the weight downside of the batteries.
As for the Volt, I don't think it meets the needs of the broad range of consumers necessary to achieve significant sales: it's expensive, relatively small, doesn't have that great a range when all electric, and when the gas motor kicks in doesn't have that much of a mileage advantage over hybrids. Oh, and then there's the minor problem of battery fires.
It does, however, seem to be a success to a remarkable degree in the role of methaphorical punching bag for all things bad about government involvement in general and and the auto bailout in particular.
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Posted on 03/07/12 - 1:52 PM
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Hey Guys,
Actually,I have operated throughout my Career
some equipments that are powered by Hydro Carbon Fuels.
"Natural Gas" AND Propane.
The propane will be compressed to a liquid state and the NCG will be safely compressed to 3000LBS/SQ" and safely combusted in a regular engine.
At the push of a toggle switch one can use one or the other fuel depending on discretion.
There is an over abundance of these Tapped and un tapped Natural Gas resources.
To be burned in our internal combustion engines would only take minimum adjustments and would be much more economical..
And this unless the same providers would yet again crank up the price to maximize their immediate profits...
If time is allowed,
Take a view of these articles depicting a once flourishing urban electrical transportation system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_...conspiracy
After all it is a mater of record as to the "When ,Where,What and Whos".
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Posted on 03/08/12 - 4:17 AM
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I'm a little confused as to whether this is a serious discussion or just kicking the can down the road; either way, the reality is that this is what oil and refined products are selling for as a result of world wide supply and demand. It's easy to think that gasoline should be cheaper based upon past history. Being in the oil business, I could never understand how oil used to be so cheap! Throughout the 80's and into the mid 90's, refining margins were so low that most refineries were barely able to stay in business.
But there was no doubt in my mind that gas prices were going to skyrocket, so in '96 I bought a diesel VW Passat that got over 40 mpg. I still drive that car, with a 20 gal tank it has a cruise range of over 800 miles! It is pretty simple technology. It can burn damn near anything you can put in it: peanut oil, bio-fuel, old technology high sulpher diesel. If I was in the new car market, there is no way that I would consider a hybrid. It is difficult enough to maintain one powerplant. I shudder to think of eventual long term problems of dual powerplants and combining them into one transmission system like the current hybrids.
Owning a boat is a luxury and it will no longer be cheap to run a boat. Dreams of an electric, LNG or other technology outboard are ludicrous; R&D costs will drive cost out of the consumer price point. However, advances in 4 cycle outboard technology has minimized fuel consumption and made the cost of running a small boat minimal.
But have you checked new outboard prices lately? Those %&#@ outboard manufacturers are in a conspiracy and ripping everyone off!!! :^D
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I believe the next alternative fuel will be natural gas not electric power. I think what they need to do to make this work on boats would be to find some way of making a lighter weight tank to hold the natural gas. Some people claim that we only have 2% of the world's oil, How would we know if were not allowed to drill anymore. And by the way the little bit of drilling that we did do in the Gulf Coast found this vast amount of natural gas. My point is, without drilling were never going to know how much we do have. Drill baby drill
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I don't know why you think companies aren't allowed to drill. There are more rigs pumping than at any point during the last eight years. A lot of actual data on oil production here: http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/data.cfmm/data.cfm
In any case, we could drill everywhere possible offshore and it would have no more than a 2-3% effect on the price of gasoline in the U.S. Largely, as noted, because it's a world market. Too, as already pointed out, we are exporting more petroleum products every day: http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/deta...fm?id=5290
Of course, we could pass a law that all petroleum products produced in the U.S. have to be used in the U.S., but I doubt such a law would get very far.
We need alternative strategies.
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After reading articles from various main stream and a few industry sources, it is important to note that the gasoline pricing model has dramatically changed.
5 or more years ago prices were determined by supply and demand, refinery production, inventory levels and a bit of speculation. If a major producer raised production, prices would fall a bit. If a refinery went down for maintenance or was damaged, prices would rise.
US demand for gasoline has fallen considerably since 2006. Even with the economy improving, gasoline demand has not rebounded. People are driving a significant amount less.
The recent uptick in prices has to do with traders, not supply and demand. Some says "IRAN" and the traders flip out. Has anything changed on the supply or demand side? NO.
Gasoline is produced from a certain type of crude (e.g. Brent Sea) and not West Texas Intermediate). Most crude that is refined into gasoline is imported.
While using less gasoline is a worthy cause, I agree, it will not affect the prices like it once did.
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