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| ioptfm |
Posted on 07/25/09 - 4:49 AM
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Mark Sr wrote:
I have considered taking the plug out of my other motor's trim tilt and using it to shop with. I am afraid it would strip out and I would then be looking for two.
If you find the right one, then by all means buy a handful..........This is almost crazy in that a thirty cents part (oops, forgot it's for a boat) I mean a $4.00 part can hold hostage a multi-thousand dollar piece of equipment.
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| MW |
Posted on 07/25/09 - 5:21 AM
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I like "tk's" "Damn the Torpedo's" attitude ! (not giving up the ship). Did you try here:
Outboard Service Corp.
516-379-7212 parts
516-379-4221 sales
open Sat & Sun..........A LARGE "Factory Authorized" Dealer
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The Outboard Wizard
631-991-4491- tech help
631-514-1525- parts
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Posted on 07/25/09 - 7:48 AM
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MW wrote:
I like "tk's" "Damn the Torpedo's" attitude ! (not giving up the ship). Did you try here:
Outboard Service Corp.
516-379-7212 parts
516-379-4221 sales
open Sat & Sun..........A LARGE "Factory Authorized" Dealer
or
The Outboard Wizard
631-991-4491- tech help
631-514-1525- parts
MM and everyone here is the information from BRP online if you want take a look at the assembly diagram and if you see this part PLEASE tell me.
BRP Online Diagram
Manufacturer Johnson Outboard Motor Parts
Catalog Johnson Outboard Parts
Year 1993
Model J100STLETS 1993
Component POWER TRIM-TILT HYDRAULIC ASSEMBLY
I looked again, and I just don't see it on there.
MM: I will just spoke to a great guy at Outboard service, he knew exactly the piece and said it is a "non serviceable" part, it was used by the manufacturer for access and not to be removed. He suggests getting one made (stainless)with the correct 1/8 thread.
Am heading over to the last marine store in town I have not been to yet, just in case.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/25/09 - 8:12 AM
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Joe Kriz wrote:
One way to tell, if you still have the plug, is what nut fits this plug?
When I have some odd ball type of bolt, I try all the nuts to see which one will fit.
Fine thread, metric, whatever...
Unless of course it is a pipe plug then nothing will fit.
Below is a photo of the plug.
Joe many thanks for posting of the picture (SEE POST #18 Page 1) so everyone sees exactly the part we are looking for.
From the picture you all will see the tap went clean through the plug leaving a hole.
Could you fill the hole as another "Plan B"?
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/25/09 - 4:36 PM
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Am heading over to the last marine store in town I have not been to yet, just in case.[/quote]
This morning one of my boating and fishing buddies came by and we went across town to West Marine.
Showed the part to store Manager and he said he had nothing close that would fit.
Anyone know who may have been the original supplier of t/t for johnson motors?
Next week will go to a machine shop when they open....
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 07/25/09 - 6:29 PM
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It sure seems like there would be a marine shop somewhere around that would have an old junk motor around that you could rob..........
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/26/09 - 7:26 PM
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ioptfm wrote:
It sure seems like there would be a marine shop somewhere around that would have an old junk motor around that you could rob..........
Please See #16
I had gone to another marine dealer and his son said they had an old t/t in a box that was for parts and I could have the part if they could get it off.
Well, he put a wrench to her and she did the same thing, rounded her off just like warm butter.
NOTE TO ALL LOOKING FOR THIS PART:
I just e mailed Anderson products with pictures of what I am looking for, they have a lot of brass fittings. Should hear back first of the week.
Kept busy rewiring my console. Had an invasion of a family of squirrels who liked the taste of wire it seems.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/27/09 - 8:18 PM
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Well I did get a reply back from Anderson products (suppliers of numerous brass fittings) that they did not carry this part. I do thank them for a quick and kind response.
They did suggest to go to a local Fastenal store.
I had been there but plan on going back and see if I can speak to the manager. A young person was covering the register there during lunch one day a couple weeks ago when I went in.
MAYBE the manager can figure a part we can use.
Talk about a great boat trip, my neighbor just left for the Florida Keys for lobster mini season. I have done this twice and it is a real experience. More like an invasion.
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| Guts |
Posted on 07/27/09 - 9:53 PM
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You could have a machine shop make the part.
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Posted on 07/29/09 - 10:59 AM
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Went back to Fastenal and did speak to manager.
He looked all over and could not find anything that would fit, says it appears as a 28 taper thread. Something the manufacturer came up with which he says is not unusual they do it to sell their own parts. (Hey) ok so (Johnson) just sell the part then if you are going to put it on a motor.
Also tried a mower/chain saw distributor, car parts and Lowes (again) in a downpour.
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| elmroc |
Posted on 07/29/09 - 12:07 PM
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Looking over thread sizes....
Standard Taper pipe size is 1/8npt-27 Threads.
THere is however, a 1/8 BSPT, which is a British pipe size, at 28 threads per inch.
British Pipe sizes are pretty common in use in Hydraulic applications such as this.
A good source for fitting of this type can be found at McMaster-Carr
Here's a link:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#stainless-st...pe/=2yjfly
THis company offers these fitting ion various materials including brass, steel and stainless steel. I would use the brass, as the STainless steel is gummy material becuase of the nickel in the stainless steel. if it's going into an aluminum housing, it's going to make trouble for you later on. I would stick with the brass version.
Hope this helps. BTW. I'm a machinist/tool maker for the last 30 years.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/29/09 - 1:02 PM
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elmroc wrote:
Looking over thread sizes....
Standard Taper pipe size is 1/8npt-27 Threads.
THere is however, a 1/8 BSPT, which is a British pipe size, at 28 threads per inch.
British Pipe sizes are pretty common in use in Hydraulic applications such as this.
A good source for fitting of this type can be found at McMaster-Carr
Here's a link:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#stainless-st...pe/=2yjfly
THis company offers these fitting ion various materials including brass, steel and stainless steel. I would use the brass, as the STainless steel is gummy material becuase of the nickel in the stainless steel. if it's going into an aluminum housing, it's going to make trouble for you later on. I would stick with the brass version.
Hope this helps. BTW. I'm a machinist/tool maker for the last 30 years.
elmroc,
My thanks to you is not enough.
Your expertise and experience (a machinist/tool maker) was what we needed all along on this search.
Am I on the right page here as far as asking them for a BSPT 1/8" brass plug;
NPT and BSPT/BSPP Threads
"The European equivalent to NPT tapered threads is BSPT (British Standard Pipe Taper) threads. BSPP (British Standard Pipe Parallel) threads are straight (parallel) threads and have the same angle, shape, and threads per inch (pitch) as BSPT threads. BSPT and BSPP threads are not compatible with and should not be substituted for NPT threads."
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| Mark Sr |
Posted on 07/29/09 - 1:38 PM
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Nice work elmroc!,
I visited the site and this looks like you have gotten us close. Looking deeper I found this in nickel plated yellow brass for $1.40:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#4860k131/=2y...31/=2ykj05
tkhvdh, Thanks to you too for your hard work. I cannot tell from the photo Joe posted but do you definitely think you see a taper to the threads?
-Mark
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| elmroc |
Posted on 07/29/09 - 1:41 PM
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That looks like the little bugger in Joe's Photo.
Is that how the sample you have look?
And also, if you want to convert it to something more standard, they sell also a BSPT to NPT Bushing so that you can change it over to NPT if you want.
I wouldn't do it, but just in case.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/29/09 - 2:04 PM
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Mark Sr wrote:
Nice work elmroc!,
I visited the site and this looks like you have gotten us close. Looking deeper I found this in nickel plated yellow brass for $1.40:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#4860k131/=2y...31/=2ykj05
tkhvdh, Thanks to you too for your hard work. I cannot tell from the photo Joe posted but do you definitely think you see a taper to the threads?
-Mark
Yes, it seems several folks have agreed it is a taper fitting when I showed it to them.
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Posted on 07/29/09 - 2:12 PM
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Does the one in my link look right to you?
What the heck I May order a couple as this seems like as close as we are gonna get. Have we ruled out NPT sizing?
My Sister and her family are in town 'til Saturday. I would love to get this resolved by FRI morning. She was last on this Whaler back in the '80s when my Grandfather owned it.
-Mark
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Posted on 07/29/09 - 2:24 PM
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Mark Sr wrote:
Does the one in my link look right to you?
What the heck I May order a couple as this seems like as close as we are gonna get. Have we ruled out NPT sizing?
Mark Sr
I just ordered if you want to wait I will tell you for sure, but I feel much better that Elmroc is on point with the BSPT and this shows why NPT threads were just not working when I took this part to so many different places to try to size it.
Elmroc
Did I say that right ?
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Posted on 07/29/09 - 2:29 PM
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Thanks, I ordered two as well.
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Posted on 07/30/09 - 7:23 AM
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My order arrived already. As usual I am perplexed by pipe sizing. Unless they sent me the wrong size (which I doubt), this plug is way too big for my use. It is 1/8" BSPT threads but is really close to 1/4" in diameter. Maybe the 1/16" is the size we need.
It appears that this is the smallest BSPT plug they offer. I did find this though: http://www.mcmaster.com/#50785k167/=2...67/=2yya8e, but it is NPTF.
Edited by Mark Sr on 07/30/09 - 7:26 AM
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Posted on 07/30/09 - 7:43 AM
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hmmmvery strange Mark.
The 2nd one you potsed wouldn't be it, becuase it shows to be 27 threads (tpi). Fastental measured 28 tpi Correct?
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