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problems with my ETEC!!!! say its not true!!
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/02/08 - 3:19 PM
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With the software you can look but you can't touch. To make changes you need to be a dealer. You can look at codes and stored faults but beyond that your limited.
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 09/02/08 - 6:00 PM
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Playing devils advocate, but is it possible that downloading anything yourself could compromise your warranty? I'd be interested to see what the dealer says about it.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/02/08 - 8:30 PM
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Kamie's correct IO, the data cable and s/w only allow you to look at all the numbers, you can't make any changes or download. But you can use it while running to get real time data like RPM from the ECU as well as real time fuel consumption that's supposed to be pretty accurate. And in this case, Duf could look and see what the temp's have been on each cyl bank as well as what revisions have actually been downloaded to his engine.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/03/08 - 7:20 AM
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Well, after work today will take the short cruise to the nearest boat ramp on the island and get her on the trailer. Should be on the road 7am friday to the dealer (about a 30 - 40 mile trip and see what we have. Definately be interested to see if there was any actual temp spikes. A full report will follow.
Duf 
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| Blue_Northern |
Posted on 09/04/08 - 10:57 AM
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Good Luck! Good to see you and catch up a bit. John and I sat around for another round and talked boats. He really has a nice rig -- if I were an offshore guy that 25 looks really nice. I think I will stick to the inshore game with gas so high right now.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/05/08 - 2:52 PM
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Well, as scheduled, departed the home 0700 for Aransas Pass (41 miles) to my Marine place and arrived almost to the minute at 0800, They were true to their word and started immediately on the discussion phase, and ended with hooking the computer up, and verifying that indeed it had gotten hot, 212 degrees hot. This is where it gets ugly. During the discussion phase it was revealed, that this is not an isolated incident with the big block E-TEC's, that they have in fact had other E-TEC's with the same issue, and the fix was increasing to a larger (about double) the size intakes . This, on other boats has resolved the problem. Now, I for one don't like bandages and this sounds exactly like what it is. If an E-TEC needs bigger intakes, then why are they not designed and engineered that way? Now, don't get me wrong, I really think the guys working on my motor are doing what they think best, but speaking of best, I'm at best skeptical this will be the real fix. So later today I get a call from my Mechanic, and he had called Bombardier on another issue and ran my problem by him as well. He agreed with the bigger intakes, but also wanted him to change the spring on the blow by valve from a 10lb to a 7lb. This was based on what I said, that at idle, by water pressure switch is reading 7-8 lbs. Sooooooooo, I get to take my boat back 41 miles to the dealer again next week. Tomorrow, or Sunday I plan on taking her out and seeing what the engine does with a. the new intakes, and b. really pay attention to the rpms and the water pressure at idle, and at speed. Learned quite a bit today, which I'm not sure if its a good thing or not as I really would rather turn the key, push the throttle forward and go somewhere then become an expert on outboard motors.
More to come i believe 
Duf
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 09/05/08 - 4:21 PM
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Sorry to hear about your troubles Duf. Its really not fun to be dealing with this stuff on such expensive investments. I'm sure you will get it straightened out.
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/05/08 - 4:49 PM
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Duf,
if your going to keep an eye on the pressure, here is a good chart.
http://forums.etecownersgroup.com/too...id=2694655
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| duf |
Posted on 09/06/08 - 7:12 AM
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Excellent Kamie, i'll take it with me today.
Duf
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/06/08 - 8:06 AM
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Duf,
You can purchase the software from any dealer. iShopMarine has it for $65 plus the cable, if you get the CDI version that is $80. It is helpful, although taking a laptop, plugged into the engine on a boat, in the water. Don't get too attached to the laptop.
If you are talking your engine in, as the dealer to give you a copy of the report. They can print you a PDF from the software and either email it to you or save it on a flash drive if you have one.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/06/08 - 3:32 PM
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As always, good advice Kamie, sure you don't have a twin sister you can fix me up with??  So, took her out today and no alarms, i watched the RPM's vrs PSI but didn't jot anything down as i was posed for a no kidding, this ain't working. Now that i know i can do about 4 hours and no alarms, i will repeat tomorrow using Kamie's chart and see exactly what my PSI is vrs RPM's. I can't believe i'm the only one on this website with this issue with a big block E-TEC when i have talked to two dealerships and heard the same story, and the same fix. I'd love to hear i'm not the lone ranger out here with this problem and that if anybody has crossed this bridge before............tell me how you got across and that i'm not breaking new ground here.
Duf
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| myakka |
Posted on 09/06/08 - 4:55 PM
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Duf
Good thread! I have a buddy that has a 225 E-TEC with similar problems. I'm sending him this thread to give to his mechanic.
Thanks again
Mike
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| duf |
Posted on 09/07/08 - 3:37 PM
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Well, the good news is, no alarms again today. Was iffy with the weather, but went for it and these are the results...... all good.
Idle 500 rpms, 5 psi, 1000 rpms, jumped to 10psi, 1500 rpms 11 psi, 2000 rpms, 12 psi, 2500 rpms, 13 psi, 3000 rpms, 13.5 psi, 3500 rpms 13.5 psi, 4000 rpms 13.75 psi, 4500 rpms, 14.5 psi, 5000 rpms, jumped to 17 psi, and 5500 jumped again to 19.75 psi.
According to Kamie's chart, everything is now perfectly in the zone or above, and i only wish i had done the same run with the old intakes.
myakka, you might have your buddy do the same test with his stock intakes on his 225 and post the results for comparison.
More to come, and thanks again kamie!
Duf
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/07/08 - 5:46 PM
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Very good to hear Duf! Do you happen to know the part number of the intakes he installed? Wondering if it's the 5006337 Ultra High Flow or 5007081 UHF+1/4?
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| duf |
Posted on 09/07/08 - 7:38 PM
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Dave, i will be talking to them this week in preparation of taking my boat back Sat for the spring change (maybe). I will get the part number and post.
Duf
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| Blue_Northern |
Posted on 09/08/08 - 8:33 AM
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Duf - Weather was iffy?? I went out in the morning yesterday and aside from a really crappy NE wind it was a great day outside. I hope you have resolved your motor issue. When you say you had bigger intakes - do you mean the vents on the lower unit. How did they make them larger? Also, do you know what HP engines run that big block. I am looking at the 150 which is a V6 but I think your 225 has a larger block.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/08/08 - 10:43 AM
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Hey Rob, heck yeah, was raining on and off all morning. Trish and I had a launch time set for 1200 and we postponed going to 3:30 or so, and was still real ugly off to the west. Rained again 5 mins after we put the boat up, so you got lucky.
Not sure about the difference in the blocks, although mine is a 6 cylinder, but can steer you to someone who knows. Call 361 758 8486 and ask for Mack. He'll probably have you talk to a guy named Wyaland, who's my mechanic and knows the ETECs front and back.
Duf
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| Blue_Northern |
Posted on 09/08/08 - 10:59 AM
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Well I spent the weekend with friends at City By The Sea which is about 6 miles out of Rockport. We also flew out by 12 Noon that Sunday so I have no idea what the weather was doing after that. I fished that morning just outside Port A and filled up at Woody's around 10AM. It still looked nice in that part but I did notice some darker clouds in your direction but did not look like rain.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/08/08 - 1:15 PM
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[quote]Blue_Northern wrote:
I hope you have resolved your motor issue. When you say you had bigger intakes - do you mean the vents on the lower unit. How did they make them larger?
Sorry Rob, just noted I didn't answer your question about the vents on your post. Yes, increased the water intakes to a larger size, which apparently are available and my mechanic acquired in 15 mins when i was at the dealership last saturday. I'm getting the part number info for one of they other postees. It seems to be working so far, and i'll use the motor for a while then get another print out to see what the motor temp has been since i did the hack on it last week. No word on any issues on the smaller ETEC's that i know of but if you want me to check on the 150's, i have a guy i can call.
Duf
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/08/08 - 1:40 PM
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Hi Rob,
The Etec 150-175-200 HP are all the smaller block 2.6L V6 (60 degree) and the 200 HO, 225, 250 are the larger 3.3L (90 degree) I believe the 250 HO is the even larger 3.4L.
I just read a post, and there's significant speculation that the 150 HP is nearly equivalent to the 175 and 200 HP engines, and it would be a great choice.
There are a number of different water intake screens available ranging from the high speed, which are flush mounted and very similar to the old style screens in that regard, to the Ultra High Flow +1/4" which look like a mini version of a shaker hood scoop on a car, and are mounted on the lower unit with the "scoop" facing forward in place of the regular pick up screens.
Duf, Many thanks for checking into the part number.
Edited by Derwd24 on 09/08/08 - 1:42 PM
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