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Etec HO vs. Standard engine?
Jeff	#21  Posted on 07/21/08 - 10:01 AM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Dave get the aluminum prop first. Run the boat and while you get used to the motor see if you mechanic has a set of stainless props for you to use and find the one that fits your needs. Then order or purchase the stainless and keep the aluminum for a spare. I know my mechanic has a bunch of test props you are able to take on loan to test and find one that fits your needs before purchasing one. Edited by Jeff on 07/21/08 - 10:02 AM 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
duf	#22  Posted on 07/21/08 - 3:28 PM
Member Personal Page Photo Albums Posts: 840 Comments: 9 Joined: 04/22/07	Derwd24, i think you will really enjoy the rig. I have a 88 outrage 22 with a 2006, 225 etec on it and its quiet, its fast and uses very little oil or gas. My 225 pushes me along at 54 MPH flat seas no head wind to speck of. So, as Joe said, grab some goggles, lanyard, add a seatbelt and enjoy the ride! Duf
Derwd24	#23  Posted on 07/22/08 - 9:41 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Thanks Duf! We were really torn between the 200 HO and the 225 like yours, but the deal on the 200 was just too good... It'll be interesting to see how this performs in comparison, but I doubt we'll see a top speed like yours! The old '87 looper got us up just past 43 MPH, but you could literally watch the gas gauge drop towards "E" when that engine was anywhere near WOT. Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Finnegan	#24  Posted on 07/27/08 - 12:54 AM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	I hate to tell you this, and I'm surprised someone hasn't already, but Seahore's magazine, Bass and Walley Boats, did a test on the big block 200's, and the E-tec 200HO proved to be a terrible gas hog, beaten badly in fuel economy by the 200 Optimax and Yamaha 200HPDI, which came in first and second, respectively. It may look like you're getting better fuel economy when compared to your old 2-stroke, but compared to the other DFI's and 4-strokes, the big block E-tecs don't win any awards for economy.
MW	#25  Posted on 07/27/08 - 5:03 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1827 Comments: 10 Joined: 01/08/06	That big "H.O."stamped on the engine scream's "WAY COOOL" Congrat's Dave ! mw
Derwd24	#26  Posted on 07/27/08 - 9:01 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Thanks MW, picked it up yesterday and if it performs as good as it looks on the back of the Outrage, we're all set! Finnegan, these real world performance numbers in the link below on a similar Outrage 22 hull would seem to be in conflict with what you read: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/...03984.html Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Bob Kemmler JR	#27  Posted on 07/27/08 - 9:21 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 269 Comments: 7 Joined: 10/10/05	Derwd24 wrote: Thanks MW, picked it up yesterday and if it performs as good as it looks on the back of the Outrage, we're all set! Finnegan, these real world performance numbers in the link below on a similar Outrage 22 hull would seem to be in conflict with what you read: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/...03984.html No offense but this chart proves nothing. If the SAME boat had also been run with a HPDI and Optimax of the same hp then you'd have something. Unfortunately boats cannot be tested like automobiles due to prop and setup, so there's going to have to be a bit of faith involved along the lines. On the hunt for a classic 19 or 21 Whaler
Derwd24	#28  Posted on 07/27/08 - 9:29 AM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Understood Bob, I was just trying to illustrate with real world numbers that this engine isn't a "terrible gas hog" as stated. Wasn't trying to compare brands. Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Bob Kemmler JR	#29  Posted on 07/27/08 - 10:04 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 269 Comments: 7 Joined: 10/10/05	I don't think anyone with any sense would call any DFI 2 stroke a gas hog, just the Etecs seem to be "slightly" behind in that area. I'm sure the difference could be made up by buying bargain beer On the hunt for a classic 19 or 21 Whaler
duf	#30  Posted on 07/27/08 - 2:03 PM
Member Personal Page Photo Albums Posts: 840 Comments: 9 Joined: 04/22/07	Derwd24 wrote: Understood Bob, I was just trying to illustrate with real world numbers that this engine isn't a "terrible gas hog" as stated. Wasn't trying to compare brands. Derwd, i checked out your chart you ref and i do know for a fact, that my flow meter is telling me approximately the same thing for 3500 RPM's i'm burning in the neighborhood of 7 and some change GPH. I also know, that the last offshore (althought some of my Whaler friends said i wasn't really offshore at 10 miles trip i took i left at 05 dark thirty, and was out till 2 to 3 in the afternoon, with a lot of trolling and a run back to the channel, with a lot of running from oil rig to oil rig during the day. I left the dock with 3/4 of a tank, and returned with a little over a half a tank. So, bottom line, if that isn't the latest and greatest, and there are motors out there that do even better, fine, but i'm estatic about whats slung on the back of my Whaler! and i think you will enjoy it as well! Duf
Derwd24	#31  Posted on 07/30/08 - 8:23 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	I finally got the boat in the water yesterday and am very impressed with the engine overall. It starts incredibly easily, idles super smoothly and evenly, and has a throaty sound that you know means power. Having no choke or fast idle is great, especially when the engine is cold, and even in the double oil break in period there's no smoke at all. The power and low end torque that this engine has is amazing, even on a heavy hull like mine. And it just plain looks great on the boat! (I'll post some pic's in the next few days). Thanks to everyone for the valuable input! I think I need some fine tuning as I'm only getting about 5200 RPM and 40 mph with 2 people and average gear at WOT with a 14.5 x 20 stainless prop. When I took it out tonight alone, got up to 46 mph and 5500 RPM wot. Any thoughts or suggestions on props to try, etc, would be appreciated! Edited by Derwd24 on 07/30/08 - 8:24 PM Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Derwd24	#32  Posted on 08/08/08 - 7:48 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	[img]http://www.whalercentral.com/images/ppimages/4535/SNC10803_640x480.jpg[/img] Edited by Derwd24 on 08/08/08 - 8:08 PM Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
HarleyFXDL	#33  Posted on 08/08/08 - 10:33 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 917 Comments: 30 Joined: 07/24/07	Prop might be a little too big, might want to go with a 18 or 19 pitch.
kamie	#34  Posted on 08/09/08 - 4:43 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	Dave, wait until after break-in has finished to test props. most folks agree that you will gain RPM's once break-in is completed. Looks like you need to drop down to the 18pitch, depending on you run normally, will it mostly be you alone or with one other friend?
Derwd24	#35  Posted on 08/09/08 - 6:41 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Thanks for the replies. The 20" prop is too big for this set up, but the dealer never water tested the rig, which is very disappointing the more I discover about how correct prop selection is really key. I'm planning to try a 17" pitch as I usually have a number of people on board. This morning's run was 3 adults and 3 teens, and this afternoon's was 2 adults, 3 teens, and 3 kids. Then there's tubing... Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
sraab928	#36  Posted on 08/10/08 - 3:52 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1282 Comments: 13 Joined: 12/27/05	The boat looks Great with that new Etec on there Dave! Once you get the prop dialed in your gonna be movin! Scott 1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8
kamie	#37  Posted on 08/10/08 - 5:02 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	Aim to get the RPM's between 5500 and 5600. That should be the sweet spot.
duf	#38  Posted on 08/10/08 - 6:26 AM
Member Personal Page Photo Albums Posts: 840 Comments: 9 Joined: 04/22/07	Dave, looks just like mine............fantastic!! I have a 14 1/2 X 19 that was re-pitched to a 21 which gives me a top end of 54 with conditions perfect at about 5400 - 5500 RPM's, trimed way up of course. With your 200 horse, i would still think you would be in the neighborhood of 48 MPH or so given we have the same size boat and i have a few more ponies. Enjoy the motor, i know i have!! Duf