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| EJO |
Posted on 03/26/18 - 12:24 PM
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I don't have a classic Outrage 21 but you were told she floats good and I agree looking at the picture you posted, therefore I doubt you have a waterlogged hull. Also she must be really, really waterlogged to drop that much in speed and she floats fine.
Moving engine up or down on a transom doesn't make her float different .
Therefore if it isn't mechanical you must adjust the motor height mounting.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 03/26/18 - 2:02 PM
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| CaptTrojan |
Posted on 03/26/18 - 3:13 PM
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thanks Phil T , your the man. these are pictures of my boat, yea I also agree she floats just fine. gunna borrow someones bigger prop and see what happens if not I am narrowing it down to mounting which doesn't look bad to me if its off its slightly off. Ive had 3 other boats with jack plates and they all ran good weather 6 or 10 inches up or down so I am leaning on this slip issue with the gears now, idk keep y'all posted thanks for the help
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Posted on 04/16/18 - 1:17 PM
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Seems to only do this with certain props so , could be hub issues still moving on to another issue i seem to be getting water in the forward deck hatch ? not sure how water can get in there im worried that its coming up from inside hull ? Is this a common problem or known? thanks again
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Posted on 12/29/18 - 11:33 AM
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Well sorry to get back to this so late, but a few test runs later I busted out the Lower Unit I was coming up on speed and .....done deal lots of busted parts in LU, so my mechanic had a good used one for $600 and got it all back together for me will be starting back again with props but if i had to guess maybe I was slipping gears and had lower unit issue. all the hubs were checked and in good shape when i marked them they showed no slipping, when i checked gear oil it was mostly water and the seal was shot so I am leaning Lower unit was the issue for sure. Ha LOL. Will start sea trials again in Jan 2019.
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Posted on 01/03/19 - 7:43 AM
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CaptTrojan sorry to hear about your lower unit, but good to hear too as that probably was your problem.
Keep us abreast of your findings once back running in the water.
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| CaptTrojan |
Posted on 03/19/19 - 6:35 PM
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well got some more issues, for now i am looking into fuel tank replacement, does anyone know where i can get a fuel tank ready to go to install myself for this boat, I've seen that u can call Florida marine with dimensions but is there a Moeller model # for one on this boat already that i can order online?
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| Phil T |
Posted on 03/20/19 - 7:51 AM
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There is not a off the shelf plastic tank available. Either custom fabricator uses your existing as a template or FMT.
Alternative is to run a on-deck portable temporarily.
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| CaptTrojan |
Posted on 03/21/19 - 8:02 PM
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may just run an moller above deck one for now, thanks again.
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Posted on 04/27/19 - 11:33 AM
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I am in the middle of installing a above deck Moeller fuel tank, manual jack-plate. Also GPS and electrical work. Boat was running but fuel pump is bad, so I will also mix my own gas and get rid of the oil pump before it eventually goes out as well and causes issues. I will update soon hopefully.
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 04/27/19 - 12:46 PM
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The Mercury oil injection system on a 2.5 liter 200 is driven by a gear on the crankshaft. Unless it is ruined by excess RPM (running the engine over 6300 RPM continuously), removing the oil system on an engine that size is big mistake. Using 50 to 1 will give you a lot of smoke and generally be more expensive, plug fouling, with added hassle of mixing a lot of oil. The oil system provides a 100 to 1 mix at idle. The only time you're ever using 50 to 1 is at WOT.
I have run, and am still running, more than a few 2.5 V-6 Merc 200's, and have NEVER had an issue with the oil injection gear on the crankshaft. It's the hot rod/performance/racing guys that tend to strip that gear with prop spin-out wave jumping and high RPM running. Which leads to another general warning - never buy a used Merc V-6 where the oil injection has already been removed - it's a clue the engine has been run too hard or had some serious overheat issues.
I would have a good Mercury mechanic check out and calibrate the oil system, and if it mixing properly, leave it alone. And don't run the engine over it's redline rating of 5600.
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Posted on 07/15/19 - 11:51 AM
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Okay good to know, at this time the oil is not mixing at all. I put a 50:1 in the tank as a safe guard and looks like the oil level has not come down at all after 3 hrs run time. since I put the pre mix in tank and the engine is running great with some smoke. no bogging or dieing on slowdown. either way the motor is mounted two low I am dragging the ass and the cavitation plate is under water while running. So i am installing a manual Jack plate next. ( SO FInnegan could I get away with a 75:1 if I am not really opening it up for a few minutes back to the dock?)
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Posted on 07/16/19 - 10:02 AM
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I would not run 75:1 even with synthetic oil. Was the lower unit the problem? What is she running now?
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Posted on 07/16/19 - 4:28 PM
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Still runs 42mph , I am thinking the engine is 4+ inches to low. when I put the yard stick under hull even the cavitation plate is 2+ inches under (lower) than stick. so raising the engine should definatley help. there is alot of spray and the boat porpusies if you try to raise the trim slightly from all the way down.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 07/17/19 - 8:03 AM
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CT -
This hull takes a 20" shaft and you are running a 25" as noted in post #2.
You need to raise the engine 5" at least and that is only possible with a riser or bracket. To keep weight down, I suggest these. Uses existing holes in the transom.
This gives you 5 1/2 inches of rise.
https://www.wholesalemarine.com/t-h-m...ack-plate/
You will want the anti-cavitation plate at least 1 - 1 1/2 inches above the bottom of the boat.
Edited by Phil T on 07/17/19 - 8:06 AM
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Posted on 07/18/19 - 11:39 AM
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Snap....25" on a banana will definitely shave 5-10mph. get a manual jackplate and jack it as high as you can. 5-6" is the range on them usually. They are not too expensive, should be under $200.
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Posted on 07/19/19 - 8:30 PM
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Thats exactly what I am doing its at mech shop now hes putting manual Jack plate, and a few other things will update again in couple weeks, thanks for the help!
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Posted on 08/25/19 - 1:18 PM
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Well I got her running and wouldn't you know long story short blew 2 cylinders, so engine is for sale for parts hopefully I can get something else and get it going Ill be back with an update, LOL.
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