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Do I really need a kicker if I have a new engine?
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| SpongeBob |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 1:56 PM
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The weight of 115's is what worrys me as well. I do not know what my '86 120's weigh but I do take a wave over the transom now and again. Thus my question regarding the adaquacy of twin 90's, which should be lighter. 115's weigh the same as 130's (at least Yamahas) so there is no penalty moving up. However if a 90 will plane a 22' they could be a viable option. My 21 year old 120 Evinrudes will plane the 22' with only one engine (I'm sure they are no longer pumping out max. hp) so I would assume a new 115 would as well. What about a single 90 planeing a 22'? Any body with experience? I know many run 200hp motors on 22' Outrages and Revenges with no complaints but would the 20hp difference between 180hp and 200hp really be that noticeable?
Would twin 90's be to heavy for Roger's 20'er? It may be the same delima I , and others, have with the 22'.
Also there are other reasons besides redundancy. Manuverability in tight quaters. No need for trim tabs. Some say better econmy when running (not sure about that one). Then there is the cool factor.
Jeff
P.S. I'm only talking about 2 strokes.
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| arthureld |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 2:12 PM
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Outrage 20s already have too much weight in the back. I'm buying a 2006 Johnson 175. I think it weighs less than a E-tec 175. I have a hard time finding that info, but I found one spec that said a 2000 Johnson 175 weighs 370 lbs. That is 57 lbs less than the E-tec.
I'll know for sure soon.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 2:13 PM
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Excellent question, I'd also be interested in any info on the 22' hull and the 90 hp. It would have to be the 90 Yamaha's though at 522 lbs total is the lightest set of twins, seems reasonable....
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 2:36 PM
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Roger,
My 2005 Johnson catalog says the 175hp with a 25 inch shaft weighs 391 pounds.....
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| arthureld |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 2:39 PM
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Thanks Joe. Is that catalog online?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 3:44 PM
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NO....
I have many older catalogs that I have saved over the years.
I just visited the Johnson site and they no longer list any large engines....
9.9, 15, and 25hp 4 strokes are all made by Suzuki with Johnson colors...
9.9 and 15hp 2 strokes are the only Johnson engines left....
This is only a guess, I haven't heard any rumors or facts, but I think we can all see that BRP will most likely faze out the Johnson line once the small E-Tec engines arrive...
As mentioned above, the larger Johnson engines are already gone. All that is left is the 9.9 and 15 hp 2 stroke motors made by Johnson....
I also no longer see the FICHT engines listed on Evinrudes site so that must be the end of the FICHTS..... Again, guessing here, but I think the only line that BRP will end up manufacturing is the E-Tec models...
From the beginning of my boating adventures back in the early 1970's, I always thought it very strange for OMC to sell 2 brands of engines. The Johnson and the Evinrude.... Why not just one?
Maybe BRP is going to change all that with just the E-Tec line-up.....?????
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| arthureld |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 4:17 PM
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Yea, I went to the Johnson site too and saw the same thing.
You may be right about Johnson going away. Why make 2 types of 2 strokes? And why sell Suzuki's under the Johnson name?
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| MWH |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 4:27 PM
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They are fazing out the Johnson line as Merc did the Mariner....Joe is right on with his engine weight of 391lbs. BRP is focused on E-tec and 2-stroke technology. A few weeks ago I spoke with one of our Marine Police who had nothing but good things to say about the E-tecs they have. Several have well over 400 hours this season with no problems.
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| arthureld |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 7:35 PM
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I would buy a e-tec for my boat, but even though I like this boat a lot and it is perfect for what I need right now, give me a year or two, and I will most likely decide to get the perfect classic Boston Whaler that I will know I want to keep forever.
When I get that one, I'll put a E-tec or 2 on it. 
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 9:00 PM
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Just curious Arthur, what would that be, bigger or same size but in better shape?/newer, etc
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| arthureld |
Posted on 09/07/07 - 9:23 PM
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My boat is in very good shape and I hope to be lucky enough to find another classic Whaler in good shape. At the moment, a Outrage 22 would probably be my first choice.
A little more V, but still not demanding 2 huge motors.
I am a traveler too, and sailboats have been catching my eye. Or, maybe something with a cabin. Time will tell.
My Outrage 20 is amusing the hell out of me now.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/08/07 - 4:43 PM
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duf,
A 25hp will not push your boat any faster than a 9.9hp.... Just the way it is....
I had a 25hp kicker on my 22' Outrage Cuddy.... Way overkill and a waste of kicker fuel.
Also a waste of money for the larger kicker.....
http://users.sisqtel.net/jkriz/Outrage22/Outrage22.jpg
Ok Joe, ready for power boat lesson, 103, what's up with this? So, are you telling me since neither motor will get my 22 to plane, that i'm max'd out with what? I'm serious about getting a kicker for the RA as soon as i take care of the basic upkeep, and a T-Top So by all means educate me as to why a 9.9 will not push RA any faster then a 25 or more kicker, as i sincerely do not want to spend the cash needlessly.
Duf
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| kamie |
Posted on 09/08/07 - 4:46 PM
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Duf,
Not sure but I would guess that it has to do with the displacement speed of your hull. A whaler will only go so fast and since neither a 9.9 nor a 25HP will plane your boat why go with the bigger kicker if the smaller one will take you to max displacement speed.
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| duf |
Posted on 09/10/07 - 4:29 PM
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Ok Kamie, but i have to think there is a chart that says with this motor you get X amount of speed, and on up until you reach planing (sp) speed. I used to have a 9.9 evenrude on my stilletto 27 that would push me along at 12 knots or so. I upgraded to a 15 horse evenrude and got to 15. The difference is, i was on plane with both so it wasn't an issue getting on plane. But, i can't believe that if i have a 9.9 and go to a 35 horse, i will get the same speed???
Duf
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