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E-Tec install on Outrage 18
OutragousBob	#21  Posted on 08/14/13 - 4:45 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 101 Comments: 0 Joined: 08/26/11	Agree great choices Edmaude! Eagles if you would like to debate two vs four stroke, start a new thread.
EaglesPDX	#22  Posted on 08/14/13 - 5:35 PM
Member Posts: 103 Comments: 0 Joined: 08/15/10	OutragousBob wrote: Agree great choices Edmaude! Eagles if you would like to debate two vs four stroke, start a new thread. Chuckle....that is what I said to the person who was promoting the two and four cycle, posting obsolete info in regard to modern outboards. The best in class for 200-150 right now are the new tech I4's from Mercury and Yamaha. The new 150 Mercury I4 is the perfect engine for the Outrage 18, four stroke or two stroke by any metric, torque, efficiency, sound level, weight, price and resale value. The Yamaha I4 would be second and, a bit overpowered in my view, the 200 I4 Yamaha as third choice.
Joe Kriz	#23  Posted on 08/14/13 - 5:47 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	The new 150 Mercury I4 is the perfect engine for the Outrage 18, four stroke or two stroke by any metric, torque, efficiency, sound level, weight, price and resale value. That sounds like it is your opinion. Others here have completely different opinions. The E-Tec 150 weighs almost 40 pounds less than the Merc 150. Who says you will get better resale value for having any particular brand on the back of any boat? Nothing is guaranteed that I can see. This thread has gotten out of hand from the original posters question and you were the one that led it off course from the beginning. In the future, please keep on topic as I will have to delete anything that gets off course again. Thanks.
kamie	#24  Posted on 08/14/13 - 6:15 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	OutragousBob wrote: In my quest for a new outboard I was told that BRP required hydraulic steering on Etecs over 90 hp. I was told this by Dover Marine in Dover NH. I didn't go with an Evinrude or talk to any other Evinrude dealers so I can't say for sure that its true. This is totally not true. BRP does not specify the type of steering to be used on their outboards. Sounds like the dealer was trying to sell you an upgrade.
Joe Kriz	#25  Posted on 08/14/13 - 6:23 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Kamie, I agree. Where are all these people getting so much information from? 3rd party tests? People trying to sell jackplates, steering, etc. 4 strokes have better resale then 2 strokes or visa versa? Reminds me of that commercial on TV where the girl says they can't say anything on the Internet that isn't true. As she walks away with a French model who can't even speak french. I think that was an AllState commercial.
OutragousBob	#26  Posted on 08/14/13 - 6:32 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 101 Comments: 0 Joined: 08/26/11	Kamie, I was seriously considering an ETEC before I repowered. The dealer who I mentioned by name stated that I would have to upgrade to hydraulic steering if I decided on going with a 115 over a 90hp. He said it was a BRP requirement. You are correct he may have been trying to sell me something.
kamie	#27  Posted on 08/14/13 - 6:37 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	EaglesPDX wrote: It's why even mfgs. like Yamaha and Mercury with legacy two stroke products don't sell them for new boat production. All new boat mfg.s offer the Yamaha or Merc four strokes not two strokes. If the two strokes made their boats perform better, they'd offer two strokes. If this is true, why do 62 boat manufacture's offer E-Tec outboards as an option on their new boats? Why do some of those same manufactures also offer Mercury Optimax as optional outboard? Any outboard manufacture wants to sell as many outboards as they can, they will sell them on new boats or the repower market. It's all about moving the most number of units and offering the customer choices. Ed, When you pick up the boat, make sure the dealer shows you how to winterize the boat. This is used not only to winterize the boat but also if you ever get air in the oil lines. My remote oil tank is in the stern of my Outrage. If I swamp the boat, which i have done a couple times the oil tank sloshes around and sometimes gets air bubbles in the line causing a low oil alarm. The quick cure, run the winterize, air cleared from the lines, problem solved, fishing trip saved.
Joe Kriz	#28  Posted on 08/14/13 - 6:38 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Bob, I hope you see now that it doesn't make sense. There are many high powered motors out there with the standard cable steering. Many 150 motors have cable steering.
EaglesPDX	#29  Posted on 08/14/13 - 11:58 PM
Member Posts: 103 Comments: 0 Joined: 08/15/10	kamie wrote:If this is true, why do 62 boat manufacture's offer E-Tec outboards as an option on their new boats? Few if any offer Evinrudes as standard. So none are in dealer stock with Evinrudes or any two cycle, Mercury or Yamaha. Boat builders don't sell the two cycles of any outboard mfg. So trying to resell into a market that has gone four cycle is going to put the seller at a disadvantage for several reasons, need to add oil, noise, mpg, commonly available parts and service. The boat industry went that away a while ago. But a two cycle could very well be the best solution for a repower just not in the case of the Outrage 18 where Merc and Yamaha have just come out with the big bloc I4's. It's just your opinion A lot of that going around <grin>...though I did post some reliable performance numbers for the Outrage 18 with the Merc. And several of us (Duf, myself, the Outrage 18 owner) have recent experience with the Merc 150 I4. In the case of Duf (an Outrage 25) and myself (an Outrage 22) getting exceptional performance in what many would have (mistakenly) predicted was under powering out boats. Instead we are getting superior numbers. Edited by EaglesPDX on 08/15/13 - 12:12 AM
whalerman	#30  Posted on 08/15/13 - 6:35 AM
Member Posts: 540 Comments: 5 Joined: 06/26/07	Joe that's "DISINFORMATION" and it is abundant out there in computer land. Kamie you beat me in answering the steering quote! Sometimes I just have to shake my head in wonderment. THOM : 1999 Outrage 18, 2012 E-TEC 150, 2012 EZ Loader trailer
edmaude	#31  Posted on 08/15/13 - 1:16 PM
Member Posts: 117 Comments: 0 Joined: 07/02/08	Guys, I shopped around to get some more detailed numbers with SeaStar being installed and I am way the hell over budget at this point. Here is what I have on the table for out the door pricing with full rigging, stainless prop, system check gauges, binnacle control, battery, fuel lines from tank to engine w/ new filter, XD100 oil etc. 14,863 ( original platinum level dealer in NY and also claimed he would upgrade gauges to ICommand for this price) -I am concerned that this is too good of a deal based on what other dealers have told me. 15,228 ( central hudson river NY dealer) 16,600 ( McCarthy's marine in NJ which is an old time Whaler dealer and has the engine in stock) I was hoping they would get more aggressive, but seems like they are not I also called a dealer in NJ near where I live that has a leftover 2012 in stock, but has no interest in selling it for anything less than full retail, which is pathetic in my opinion. How do these prices look compared to any members that have recently purchases this motor? Please no telling me to go Mercury again Thanks, Ed 1983 Outrage 18 w/ 2014 Etec 150
Phil T	#32  Posted on 08/15/13 - 2:16 PM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	I think it would be better to get the total broken out: Engine Prop Gauges Binnicle Harnesses Removal cost Install and water test cost I hate bundled cost estimates. They are almost worthless since their is no detail. How do you really know you are getting the same items in the bids.
EaglesPDX	#33  Posted on 08/15/13 - 3:57 PM
Member Posts: 103 Comments: 0 Joined: 08/15/10	EDIT: Removed off topic answer that the poster does not want to hear. Edited by Joe Kriz on 08/15/13 - 3:59 PM
wing15601	#34  Posted on 08/15/13 - 4:05 PM
Member Posts: 699 Comments: 0 Joined: 07/14/12	I have to chime in. BRP owns one boat brand, Seadoo. Brunswick Corp., owner of Mercury Marine, owns over 25 brands of boats. Seem that arguing that more new boats come with Mercury power than Evinrude is an idiotic argument. I winter in Ft. Myers and summer in St. Joseph, Michigan. It’s now about 12 years since I’ve joined this group. I gave my 1972 whaler to my daughter and sold the 17’. Bought an O’Day 28 sailboat and sailed on Lake Michigan. Yesterday I bought a 2005 130 Sport.
kamie	#35  Posted on 08/15/13 - 4:38 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	I agree with Phil, get the breakdown. For the 14,863 you should have the 5 year warranty, all the goodies, including iCommand digital gauges, fuel module, as well as Seastar installed. The seastar is $750 but install should be minimal since they are totally derigging the boat. I see he is including a battery, does your current one not meet spec's? the engine is 12,300 I paid 1500 for BRP rigging (included binnacle, 2 gauges, engine harness, NME200 network, oil tank, misc stuff) battery $100 Seastar $750 prop $100 oil $60 add to that, removal and rerigging and you have a fair deal. Just confirm which gauges your getting, you need at least 1 3 inch, not sure if your getting any 2 inch to fill holes. Depending on what GPS you have, I like the fuel module that gives me fuel flow data as well. My Garmin 541 does not transmit NME200 data correctly so I got the Lowrance GPS module. See if he can throw in some of the option stuff like fuel module. It never hurts to ask. In general he is giving you a great deal, the one thing that is important is to be happy with the deal your getting. If your not happy, then you will always have that in the back of your mind. As for the over budget part, consider this over the life of your boat and believe me, the first time you hop on the boat with the new engine, turn the key and it roars to life, you will forget about the budget.
edmaude	#36  Posted on 08/15/13 - 4:49 PM
Member Posts: 117 Comments: 0 Joined: 07/02/08	Thanks Kamie, You nailed it with what is being included at the 14863. All the prices I got for installing the Seastar system were betweek 1200-1600 parts and labor. Hope to lock this down tomorrow AM finally Ed 1983 Outrage 18 w/ 2014 Etec 150
whalerman	#37  Posted on 08/15/13 - 4:53 PM
Member Posts: 540 Comments: 5 Joined: 06/26/07	I would agree as well with the 14,863. And do get a break down of what you're getting or what's being done. A very trueism about being happy with the dealer, not only for boats but for anything. THOM : 1999 Outrage 18, 2012 E-TEC 150, 2012 EZ Loader trailer
Jbeaux2000	#38  Posted on 08/19/13 - 8:12 AM
Member Posts: 21 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/15/08	I just put an etec 150 on my 18 outrage. I also had the sea star system steering put on at the same time. Those prices sound right (@15k). I would pick final dealer on price AND service/convenience. There is a reason for this... You have an old whaler. Even though they replace fuel lines,etc and drain tank (my dealer did this as part of install), things can happen. I had a fuel restriction issue that was infrequent and unpredictable. I brought in once, they couldnt replicate the issue when they test ran and diagnostics were clear. I had them test vac on engine side of racor and it tested 1-1.5. They guessed it was temp blockage that had made it to filter and since i had changqed the racor since initial problem, then all was good. Two days later, I was out on the water and it happened again. I turned and steered my boat to my dealer while experiencing issue and they diagnosed/fixed on the spot. I didn't even have to trailer her. I got boat back two hours later. That would have been a nightmare if I had to trailer her two hours away and lose boat for weekend or longer. Plus, it was infrequent and not predictable and etec computer was not throwing codes so laptop was useless. With issues like that, having dealer close and wanting to keep you happy are important. You will love the 150 etec /18 outrage/sea star combo.... Good choice
edmaude	#39  Posted on 08/19/13 - 9:31 AM
Member Posts: 117 Comments: 0 Joined: 07/02/08	I met with the dealer and put a deposit down on Saturday. These guys are not on the lake we use, but they are a 25 minute drive. He is looking at a late September completion since the motor is not even manufactured yet. I am planning to tackle the vent line and fuel filler line replacement this coming weekend 1983 Outrage 18 w/ 2014 Etec 150
edmaude	#40  Posted on 09/04/13 - 1:35 PM
Member Posts: 117 Comments: 0 Joined: 07/02/08	Looks like the engine is going on the boat next week so I am scrambling to lift the floor, replace the fuel fill and vent lines this Saturday. Can someone guide me as the best prop? From what I can gather I should go three holes up on the mount and a 18 or 19 rebel prop Thanks for all the feedback, I can't wait to get back on the water Ed 1983 Outrage 18 w/ 2014 Etec 150