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Motor choice 1988 Outrage 20'
Tom W Clark	#21  Posted on 01/15/13 - 8:38 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Well, uh, that is not quite right Phil. The original Outrage 20 (nee Outrage V-20) was Whaler's first true Vee hull. It was introduced in 1977. It is not rounded at all. The angle of the Vee was shallower than the 1986-1989 Outrage 20, which is nothing more than an Outrage 22 with the aft two feet taken off. The 1986-1989 Outrage 20 can suffer from porpoising too, but not as much as the original. Keeping the transom weight down is important on both models.
Finnegan	#22  Posted on 01/15/13 - 10:42 AM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	If I understand it correctly, the 1978-1984 V-20, with it's shallow 12 degree deadrise, did not have enough transom angle for the earlier OMC V-6 engines. The power trim on these engines did not have enough "tuck in" trim range, so they often would porpoise from being trimmed out too far, even if trimmed in all the way. The Mercury engines of the same period had more trim range, and those boats powered with Mercury did not have the problem. All second generation Whalers designed after the initial V-20 had more transom angle.
Joe Kriz	#23  Posted on 01/15/13 - 11:13 AM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	The 1986 model year was the transitional year. Early 1986 year models had the removable bow steps and later 1986 year model had the built-in bow steps. See this article as this is one reason I created all those Owners lists to keep track of changes. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=19
Phil T	#24  Posted on 01/15/13 - 1:21 PM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	Oops. My apologies for that inaccurate info. Thanks for correcting it Tom.
Weatherly	#25  Posted on 01/15/13 - 2:24 PM
Member Posts: 752 Comments: 4 Joined: 12/31/06	I am working with a friend to choose the correct hp for his 1988 BW Outrage 20. As noted earlier in thread, the max rating for the hull is 200hp. We are thinking to go with a 200 Etec, but would consider a 150 Etec or 175 Etec. Use will be average of 4 passengers, crusing in/out of Edgartown to Pogue Light, Madaket, maybe the Monomoys. Back to dock by sunset. Cost and efficiency, in addition to reliability are factors. What say the conventional wisdom of WC colleagues?
Joe Kriz	#26  Posted on 01/15/13 - 2:31 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	The 150, 175 and 200 E-Tec all weigh the same @ 433 pounds. So, that would be a no brainer as far as weight goes. Go with the 200 hp. If this was an earlier hull with a max hp of 180, then it would be best to choose a 175 E-Tec if he wanted to stay under the max rated hp limit as stated on the Capacity Plate. If he wants to go with less power you would have to look at the other Quick Guide Reference for the 18' models. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=6 The 115 or 130 wouldn't save that much weight and would obviously provide less power. Edited by Joe Kriz on 01/15/13 - 2:35 PM
Tom W Clark	#27  Posted on 01/15/13 - 2:39 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Phil -- I live for the chance to correct you; the opportunity is so rare ;-)
Tom W Clark	#28  Posted on 01/15/13 - 2:46 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	The E-TEC 150, 175 and 200 are all based on the 2.6 liter V-6 platform. They are, essentially, the same motor but for the tuning and programming. Given that, it is a no brainer: get the 150 HP model. Because consumers expect to pay more for more horsepower, the 150 is a much better value because it will (for no practical reason) cost less. It's just marketing. The E-TEC 150 will accelerate just like the E-TEC 200 (and a hell of a lot faster than any 200 HP four stroke) but it won't have as high a top speed. If you want maximum top speed, get the 200.
Finnegan	#29  Posted on 01/15/13 - 3:10 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Tom -- According to Mercury, your statement on 4-strokes is incorrect! Mercury says their testing shows the supercharged Verado 150 accelerates faster, has a higher top speed, and gets MUCH better fuel economy than an E-tec 150 on the same boat. http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/...ID=57& Evinrude has never produced a video claiming they outperform a Verado at any HP level. They like to pick on the naturally aspirated 4-strokes instead, like the Yamaha F150. Somewhere, I have a photo (taken in Harbor Springs MI two summers ago) of a nice Outrage 20 repowered with a Verado 150. It was a nice looking rig and the owner said it ran beautifully with great fuel economy. He really liked the DTS controls. Said it cost him 12K complete and rigged. Edited by Finnegan on 01/15/13 - 3:14 PM
Joe Kriz	#30  Posted on 01/15/13 - 3:34 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	I always question tests like that. The Verado is almost 100 pounds more in weight. Did they add an extra 100 pounds to that Lund boat when testing the E-Tec so the total weight was equal? They don't, and won't, tell us that information is those tests. Did they use the same driver? Same day, weather, wind, and water conditions? Maybe someday, some of us can do an independent study using a Boston Whaler as the test boat and mounting the various motors for our own tests. Unfortunately, the Verado is only 2 Star emissions rated and much heavier then the E-Tec. Too heavy for the Outrage 20' and cannot be used on many waters in California that require 3 Star rated motors.
Joe Kriz	#31  Posted on 01/15/13 - 4:01 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Tom W Clark wrote: Because consumers expect to pay more for more horsepower, the 150 is a much better value because it will (for no practical reason) cost less. It's just marketing. Tom, I wonder what the real prices are for those motors. 150 versus 200 ? The Evinrude site does not list "Suggested Retail" so I can't compare real world prices. One of my concerns here, is if the owner then tries to sell his boat later. Will the prospective buyers think this boat is underpowered with a 150 hp on it when the max hp is rated for 200? I know I would unless I had info like this.
Finnegan	#32  Posted on 01/15/13 - 4:07 PM
Member Posts: 1926 Comments: 16 Joined: 05/02/08	Getting back to the Outrage 20, the weight of a 25" Verado 150 is 525#, and a large cube Optimax 200 is 512#. From what I have seen with Outrage 20's, those that have twin engines, such as the 2-stroke Yamaha 70's or 90's easily carry that same 500# weight. The one I saw with the Verado 150 carried the wieght well, and I have also seen one of these boats with a 200 Optimax on it. Even the much smaller Outrage 18 can easily handle 500# engine weight. If it were my boat, and for the use being described, I'd put a new Mercury 150 EFI 4-stroke on it considering the low 10.2K price, just to throw another option into the mix. One of these engines is in the future for my classic Outrage 19.
Joe Kriz	#33  Posted on 01/15/13 - 4:15 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Larry, I was thinking more on the lines of porpoising like was discussed earlier. I should have made that clearer. Yes, the hull can handle the total weight but at what cost?
Marko888	#34  Posted on 01/15/13 - 4:23 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	There is no scientific reason to NOT choose the lightweight E-TEC V6 for this boat. Choose your top speed from the 3 options of 150, 175 or 200 and go. With this choice, one could even add a kicker and not be much heavier than a 4-stroke main engine by itself. The only negative could be the dealer network for your area...meaning, if there are only dealers of competing brands in your area, and the Evinrude dealer being a long ways away. Edited by Tom W Clark on 01/15/13 - 5:50 PM
Tom W Clark	#35  Posted on 01/15/13 - 5:48 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Joe -- Figure about $1000 for each additional 25 HP. I bet the 200 E-TEC costs more than $2000 more than the 150 E-TEC. Underpowered? I don't think so. Maybe with only 115 HP but not 150 HP. I have a friend here in Seattle who repowered his (earlier generation) Outrage 20 with a Mercury 150 and it will do damn near 50 MPH. If that is not fast enough for you, by all means, get a 200. Like I said, if top speed is your goal, get the 200. If cost is a consideration, get the 150. We don't go out and buy a new outboard motor for the next guy who *might* own our boat.
Marko888	#36  Posted on 01/15/13 - 7:33 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 413 Comments: 10 Joined: 05/26/08	Here is some Evinrude list pricing from 2011. This is from the NADA site. 150DPXII. $14855 175DPXII. $16515 200DPXII. $18700
guillermo fortuno	#37  Posted on 01/15/13 - 10:36 PM
Member Posts: 2 Comments: 0 Joined: 05/01/11	What about the twin e tec 2012 90hp? Compare to single 200, is less power? What I'm looking is for used for water ski and travel open ocean crusing like Phil t said. But I need power, I'm 205 lb and to get me out in a slalom is not easy. My first outrage 18 with 2 stroke 150 was difficult to get me out or up, but I change later for another Johnson 175hp and in 4 seconds I was on top of the water. I want to thanks to all for help me decide. My boat is coming out very nice, I want to show to all the progress , I will post photos soon. By the way if anyone need bow bitt, or bumper corners in aluminum . I have the guy that maid all my pieces. Thanks gf
Tom W Clark	#38  Posted on 01/16/13 - 7:35 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Twin E-TEC 90s would give you 180 HP with two gearcases dragging through the water and 640 pounds on the transom. That is not a good recipe for a good hole shot. Your top speed will suffer too as well as your wallet. Get the 200. It will be much better for both waterskiing and top speed.
Phil T	#39  Posted on 01/16/13 - 8:04 AM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	Setting aside the engine brand conversation for a minute. Many owners who pull a skier have 2 props. One for cruising/speed and a second with slightly less pitch for skiing. I would think a 175, from any brand, with the appropriate prop can pull a larger slalom skier up on a Outrage 20 and go FAST. Prop selection allows you to balance speed/acceleration. I am sure once you select a motor; Tom, Joe and Larry (Finnegan) will give you some dead on recommendations. Getting back to engine choice: Modern EFI and DI outboards have come along way and motors from the top 5 brands are all worth consideration. Veteran Whaler members advise you to consider(in no order): Price Local dealer/service availability from dealers Weight I think you should get detailed quotes from two dealers for each brand you consider. The quote should breakdown the exact price for each item Engine Prop Harnesses Throttle Gauges Rigging Tax Also get 2 references for customers and talk to them about their repower. Was rigging done well, clean and neat? Did they meet the schedule? Any price surprises? Etc. For a $15,000 purchase do your due diligence and research.
Tom W Clark	#40  Posted on 01/16/13 - 8:29 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	guillermo fortuno wrote: I'm trying to get the fastest engine I can get... For Guillermo I recommend a single 200 HP outboard. Weatherly wrote: We are thinking to go with a 200 Etec, but would consider a 150 Etec or 175 Etec. Use will be average of 4 passengers, crusing in/out of Edgartown to Pogue Light, Madaket, maybe the Monomoys. Back to dock by sunset. Cost and efficiency, in addition to reliability are factors. For Weatherly's friend I recommend a 150 HP E-TEC.