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E-Tec 30 vs Mercury 30 on a 13
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| lexgeorge |
Posted on 05/10/12 - 8:09 PM
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FYI - an outboard dealer told me today that Evinrude just started offering a 6 (yes, six) year warranty on E-Tecs, but I don't know the details, such as how long this offer will last.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 05/10/12 - 8:18 PM
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Go over to www.etecownersgroup.com, tell them you're considering purchasing a 30 and ask, there are a number of excellent dealers and tech's on there who will answer any questions about current deals.
You're smart to gather as much information as possible before buying as new motors aren't cheap, and although any new engine is going to be great, there are differences that are worth examining before deciding.
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| lexgeorge |
Posted on 05/10/12 - 8:38 PM
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Derwd - thanks for the link, and the comments, also. PS, were you ever on Bewitched?
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 05/11/12 - 10:54 AM
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Checked the Evinrude website and they are currently offering the 6 year warranty through July 9th. That's 3 years of their regular warranty and 3 more of their B.E.S.T coverage (previously it was only 2 years for 5 total).
http://www.evinrude.com/Content/Pdf/e...f#zoom=100
PS Good catch on the Bewitched reference
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| lexgeorge |
Posted on 05/13/12 - 1:01 PM
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Well, I ordered the E-Tec 30. It should arrive mid-week. Thanks to everyone for their advice and help, Lex
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| Brooksinct |
Posted on 05/21/12 - 12:04 PM
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So what is the first impression, have you taken the boat out yet?
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| lexgeorge |
Posted on 05/25/12 - 5:44 AM
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Sorry for the late reply, I haven't checked the site in a few days. I'm having the motor installed this week. I am also having some other work done, and it should all be ready next week (hopefully), unless there are delays getting cables or gauges. I'm looking forward to it. I will report my results! Thanks for asking -Lex
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| Ric232 |
Posted on 06/09/12 - 2:56 PM
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Sorry I arrived late to the discussion. You clearly made the right choice. Yes, the Etec will have more torque in the lower and mid rpm range. Yes, torque is related to horsepower (HP = torque x RPM/5252). If two 30hp motors both generate their peak HP at the same RPM (i.e. at 5500 rpm), then they both generate the same amount of torque at that rpm. However, that says nothing about how much torque they generate at rpms below that. That's the key difference between the 2-strokes and 4-strokes. I have a later model 13 with a 40hp Merc 4-stroke. It is quiet and efficient but I have come so close to swapping it out for an E-tec its not even funny. I've been pondering since I bought the boat new back in 2008. I am convinced that you will love your E-tec. No, it might not be quite as quiet and smooth as a good 4-stroke, but the difference is very slight and the advantages far outweigh this. As someone mentioned, the pitch of the engine sound is different. The 2-strokes are a little higher pitched and sometimes this makes them seem a little louder. The 4-strokes generally sound like a bigger engine even when they aren't. Let us know as soon as you drive it. I'm jealous, man.
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| fried okra |
Posted on 06/09/12 - 9:16 PM
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I'm looking to purchase a 13' Sport and finding ones from about 2000 and newer to be equipped usually with either 25 HP 4-stroke Mercs or 40 HP Mercs, which I presume are 4 stroke too. I'm looking at one now with the 25 HP which is obviously a two cylinder engine.
Is one engine generally preferred over the other? The 40 HP is larger displacement and heavier too? The 40 HP engines are three cylinder maybe? Are one of the newer EFI engines a much better choice and when did they come along? Are these sourced from Tohatsu or Yamaha on the 25 and 40 HP four strokers?
Just some questions that come to mind.
thanks in advance!!
fried okra
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| blacksmithdog |
Posted on 06/10/12 - 3:29 AM
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fried okra wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a 13' Sport and finding ones from about 2000 and newer to be equipped usually with either 25 HP 4-stroke Mercs or 40 HP Mercs, which I presume are 4 stroke too. I'm looking at one now with the 25 HP which is obviously a two cylinder engine.
Is one engine generally preferred over the other? The 40 HP is larger displacement and heavier too? The 40 HP engines are three cylinder maybe? Are one of the newer EFI engines a much better choice and when did they come along? Are these sourced from Tohatsu or Yamaha on the 25 and 40 HP four strokers?
Just some questions that come to mind.
thanks in advance!!
fried okra
Fred:
I can only answer two of your questions. I have a 2011 Merc 25 hp on my 13' Whaler, it's a 3 cylinder. In my mind, the EFI engines are superior.
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| fried okra |
Posted on 06/10/12 - 6:56 AM
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That's interesting....I only noticed two spark plugs when the cowl was off on the 2001 25HP four stroke Merc.......I am guessing they have switched to another base engine now on the EFI versions.....don't know though.
fried okra
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| blacksmithdog |
Posted on 06/10/12 - 10:41 AM
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fried okra wrote:
That's interesting....I only noticed two spark plugs when the cowl was off on the 2001 25HP four stroke Merc.......I am guessing they have switched to another base engine now on the EFI versions.....don't know though.
fried okra
http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/...0/?model=0
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| fried okra |
Posted on 06/10/12 - 12:17 PM
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Thanks, I had seen that, which is for the current line of engines. There doesn't seem to be much spec information available on line for earlier engines though.
The owners manual for the 25 HP carbed engine from 2001 lists it as 2 cylinder, 498cc, with a long stroke design......which is definitely a different basic engine than the new short stroke 3 cylinder engines.
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| Ric232 |
Posted on 06/12/12 - 2:10 PM
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fried okra wrote:
I'm looking to purchase a 13' Sport and finding ones from about 2000 and newer to be equipped usually with either 25 HP 4-stroke Mercs or 40 HP Mercs, which I presume are 4 stroke too. I'm looking at one now with the 25 HP which is obviously a two cylinder engine.
Is one engine generally preferred over the other? The 40 HP is larger displacement and heavier too? The 40 HP engines are three cylinder maybe? Are one of the newer EFI engines a much better choice and when did they come along? Are these sourced from Tohatsu or Yamaha on the 25 and 40 HP four strokers?
Just some questions that come to mind.
thanks in advance!!
fried okra
If you're looking for a 2000 or later model 13', I think you will find a 25hp motor lacking in power, especially if it is a 4-stroke. I believe the 25hp is sourced fro Tohatsu. The current 40hp EFI 4-stroke is not, but the block appears to be shared with Yamaha.
Edited by Ric232 on 06/12/12 - 2:13 PM
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| lexgeorge |
Posted on 07/08/12 - 7:42 AM
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Hello again…I want to report on my new motor experiences. Sorry it’s taken me so long to do this, but we were on vacation for 2+ weeks, and then I was been busy trying to catch up at work. I am very happy with the motor. It starts right away. It vibrates a little more than I was expecting, mainly when idling; but at higher RPMs, it runs smoothly. It accelerates quickly and smoothly, and pops right out of the hole. The noise is no problem, and I don’t ever notice any smoke...sometimes I smell some exhaust. I have used the TnT a lot, mainly because we go into a lot of shallow areas. My max speed (GPS) with just me on board is 29 MPH (about 5700-5800 RPM); with 2 people it is 27 MPH. These speeds are with the motor trimmed up most or all of the way. It porpoises a lot at that trim setting. If trimmed down to about the halfway point (on the trim gauge), with just me on board I get about 27-28 MPH (5500-5600 RPM), and porpoising is pretty much eliminated, depending on weight distribution. I put a little more length on my fuel line so I could put the tank forward of the front seat to reduce porpoising. (I have Excel table and graphs of the Tilt/RPM/MPH relationships if anyone wants them). BTW, the steering is neutral when the trim is about 3/4 down. I also got a fuel use estimate of 9 MPG (that's a very rough estimate). It has the stock prop that came from Evinrude (10.3x12). I am pleased with this motor, and hope to get to use it a lot more soon (I wish that I lived closer to the water). Thanks to everyone for their advice and input, and feel free to ask any questions. -Lex
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