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Posted on 08/31/10 - 6:20 AM
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CES wrote:
Like I mentioned earlier in my post, there isn't much that is Made in America anymore. It's a sad situation and until us, as Americans, ramp up manufacturing and engineering, we will continue to be in the situation we are in now.
Whether or not something is made in America has little to do with technical competence or infrastructure. The trade deficit has a lot more to do with changes to international trade policy--strongly championed by administrations of BOTH parties--with the strong support and urging of large corporations who find the revised regulations beneficial in their efforts to move to lower cost manufacturing over seas but still be able to bring profits back into the U.S. Along with profits, the other driver is the American consumer, whose demand for lower and lower prices so they can consume more and more drives the producers to find cheaper ways to produce.
CES wrote:
This seems to be part of the "Wealth re-distribution" that our President so often talks about however it's not wealth redistribution to other Americans; it's wealth redistribution to the rest of the world. Of course the wealth re-distribution wheel started turning way before our current administration took office; it's just that it started moving full force once they were sworn in.
As opposed to, say, the previous administration's wealth redistribution of tax dollars to the military industrial complex, often without legally mandated competed contracts? And just what are some examples of the current administration "moving full force" compared to previous administrations?
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Posted on 08/31/10 - 6:30 AM
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Gage, re-read my post. I didn't blame our current administration for setting the wheels in motion, in fact it started in the 90's. Also, I could go on and on in defense of the military actions that took place with the prior adminstrations military actions especially since I lived it and served two tours in the middle east....I'm retired military. However it's the current adminstration that boasts of it's wealth redistribution initiative.
Back to Whalers and Dolphins please....
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Posted on 08/31/10 - 9:56 AM
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I don't believe any sanctions would stop the Japanese from
the mass killings. It's in their culture to harvest from the sea(tuna, swords, etc) with their large factory ships. That's like India telling us to stop killing cattle(not going to happen).They must change their way of thinking.
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Posted on 08/31/10 - 3:26 PM
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JohnnyCW wrote:
Mark Finkenstaedt wrote:On the other hand - tonight I have been watching "The Cove" an oscar winning movie about the yearly wholesale slaughter of around 23,000 dolphins in Japan.
Where did you see The Cove?
I saw it last night on the green channel (the treehugger channel)
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Posted on 08/31/10 - 4:43 PM
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Mark Finkenstaedt wrote:
Buying American should be a theme we remember everyday for the sake of our manufacturing base. (Have you seen American cars recently - outstanding!)
I don't buy Japanese products for many reasons but I'll add the dolphins to my list as my friends look at me like I'm crazy when I discourage them from buying foreign.
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My comment: Your maybe right about the dolphins but you are flat nuts when it come to cars and manufacturing.
First, the domestsic companies have a hell of a long way to go before they can match Japanese quality. The values of used cars is the true measure of quality. Until a Chevrolet holds its value as well as a Honda/Toyota/Subaru they can't honestly claim quality. Sorry, that is just the way it is. How may people who claim the big three build a quality product have ever actually owned a Toyota?
Second, they are all huge multinational companies, so who cares anyway? Americans can buy stock and own a pice of any of them. My Toyota way assembled in the USA. The UAW website includes my Toyota in the union made list. Check how many GM parts source from Mexico and China. Who is the parent company of Chrysler?
Third, as things stand today, it is porbably more "American" to buy foreign than a GM or Chrysler. Bankruptcy laws were violated in the bailouts. What happened to the concept that everyone is equal in America? Instead we find that big labor's politcal connections make their jobs superior to ours. Recall a concept called free enterprise...this ain't it! Recall Obama firing GM's CEO? That's called a State run business and it is not the American way....regardless of ones view on buying American.
Fourth, globalization is just an excuse loosers in Detroit make for thier problems. The truth is more jobs were "outsourced" to the Carolinas, Kentucy, and Tennessee than to China or Mexico. Too many Americans want to blame their troubles on Japan, China, India, Mexico, or whomever. Get over it. Our problems are of our own making. American companies which can see realilty are thriving in the age of globalization...but they aren't run by cry babies looking into the past.
I could go on and on.
So, I feel just fine about my Jap car and Mexican Merc. You go ahead an buy whatever the hell you want. Don't judge the rest of us for doing the same.
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Posted on 08/31/10 - 5:41 PM
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Ed Lim wrote:
I don't believe any sanctions would stop the Japanese from
the mass killings. It's in their culture to harvest from the sea(tuna, swords, etc) with their large factory ships. That's like India telling us to stop killing cattle(not going to happen).They must change their way of thinking.
I agree. Every culture is different. It is what it is.
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Posted on 09/02/10 - 1:12 PM
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It's all about a company being able to make the profit they need to make to attract investors or to otherwise remain a viable player in a given industry. When our government makes it difficult to make a profit, through high taxes, the company moves elsewhere. Why else would a company go to the tremendous cost and trouble to move to another country?
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Posted on 09/02/10 - 3:06 PM
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zappaddles wrote: Why else would a company go to the tremendous cost and trouble to move to another country?
Cheaper labor.
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Posted on 09/02/10 - 5:18 PM
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zappaddles wrote:
It's all about a company being able to make the profit they need to make to attract investors or to otherwise remain a viable player in a given industry. When our government makes it difficult to make a profit, through high taxes, the company moves elsewhere. Why else would a company go to the tremendous cost and trouble to move to another country?
While the combined (Federal and state) corporate tax rate is among (if not) the highest in the world, the actual taxes U.S. corporations pay is about 2.5% of GDP. On the other hand, the average taxes paid by corporations in the majority of other "rich" countries is around 3.5% of GDP. U.S. corporations are lightly levied by comparison, and have become so partly through creative accounting and partly through the efforts of moving costs (i.e. cheaper labor) overseas.
Of course, if you say something wrong often enough ("U.S. corporations pay the highest taxes", as opposed to the more accurate highest tax rate) people will stop questioning its accuracy.
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Posted on 09/02/10 - 5:27 PM
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Whether or not something is made in America has little to do with technical competence or infrastructure. The trade deficit has a lot more to do with changes to international trade policy--strongly championed by administrations of BOTH parties--with the strong support and urging of large corporations who find the revised regulations beneficial in their efforts to move to lower cost manufacturing over seas but still be able to bring profits back into the U.S. Along with profits, the other driver is the American consumer, whose demand for lower and lower prices so they can consume more and more drives the producers to find cheaper ways to produce.
As opposed to, say, the previous administration's wealth redistribution of tax dollars to the military industrial complex, often without legally mandated competed contracts? And just what are some examples of the current administration "moving full force" compared to previous administrations?
Sounds about right to me.
Edited by John Fyke on 09/02/10 - 5:28 PM
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From a consumer point of view, buy the products that best suit your needs, and let the free market function as it should.
From a political point of view, boycott the products that offend your moral sensibilities, and let the free market function as it should.
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