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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/20/09 - 12:14 PM
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Upon replacing the tilt trim t/t electric motor we needed to drain the old fluid and flush system to be sure no water/etc was present. When removing the brass drain plug the head stripped loose and we had to tap it out. It is out now but has a hole in it. Having a time finding replacement part. J100STLETS
Has anyone out there ever had this problem? I have not been able to find this part number. It is at the bottom of the assembly and to access this you must look up under the bracket and use an allen type wrench. It is a brass socket head screw that seems to have a taper. I can not see this when looking online at the parts diagrams. My eyes are getting weak. If you can see it please let me know part number. T/t electric motor is running fine now and need to refill fluid and go boating.
Thanks fellow Whaler owners for any help.
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 07/20/09 - 12:52 PM
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You can probably find one that will work at most hardware stores. My not be brass, but should work until you can find one
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/20/09 - 1:22 PM
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ioptfm wrote:
You can probably find one that will work at most hardware stores. My not be brass, but should work until you can find one
That was a good idea and I have been all over town, it has a fine thread, the closest bolt I did find goes in like less than a 1/2 turn and then is "tight". Do not want to mess the threads up.
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| theo |
Posted on 07/20/09 - 3:19 PM
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tkhvdh wrote:It is a brass socket head screw that seems to have a taper.
Could it be a pipe plug?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/20/09 - 4:00 PM
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Take a look on BRP Online Catalog for the part number.
A dealer should be able to fix you right up.
http://shop2.evinrude.com/ext/index.a...f0d78653da
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/23/09 - 5:20 PM
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I have e mailed my dealer where I bought the boat.
I had looked before on BRP online and it does not show this part or I am too old to see it. I have startyed to work on the wiring and today redid all the connectors under the dash. What do you use for a ground bus bar?
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| MW |
Posted on 07/23/09 - 5:54 PM
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Which Johnson 1992 100 hp "model" is it ?
E100STLEND
E100WTLENE
E100WTXENE
VE100SLEND
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| Mark Sr |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 7:07 AM
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I just had trim tilt failure in one of my Johnson 70s (J70TLECB). The motor dropped just after I raised it and there was a sheen on the water. After much investigation, I found that new fluid would just squirt out of this drain hole - the plug was missing. My guess is that it corroded away.
I cannot find one either and the manual diagrams do not even show it.
Have you had any luck finding one? -Mark
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Posted on 07/24/09 - 4:45 PM
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If it is that hard to locate an OEM, and yes I too like to replace with OEM when I can, Why not re-thread to something you can find. I understand I may maybe talking out of my a@# since I haven't seen the project but unless it has some special sporty machining to it, it's just a plug.
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| Mark Sr |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 5:46 PM
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I have bought 5 or 6 different set screws and test fitted them. 1/4" is too small, 5/16 is too big. I need to find 9/32". I also tried metric and 6mm is too small, 8mm too big, and no one has 7mm.
My local OMC shop guy said it did not exist. Then he found an old one TNT unit in the shop. It was missing the plug as well.
I just took some pictures of my missing one as well as the other motor's trim tilt with the plug still in. Not sure how to post them in a thread yet.
I am just reluctant to tap a new hole with the unit still on the boat. I had everything off except the lower horizontal pivot rod at the bottom of the TNT assembly. My recessed transom with twins is tight. Hard to hammer the rod out as the hull is 5-6" away and the rod is 8-9".
-Mark
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 6:08 PM
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Could you possibly use a flat head screw instead of a set screw untill you can locate the OEM? You may have a better shot at finding that vs a setscrew. If you have a really nice hardware store in your area you'll have a better shot at finding it there more so than a building supply.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 7:59 PM
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MW wrote:
Which Johnson 1992 100 hp "model" is it ?
E100STLEND
E100WTLENE
E100WTXENE
VE100SLEND
It shows JT100STLETS (?) on the motor plate
100 GT Johnson it is a 93 model, sorry for the confusion.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 8:10 PM
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Mark Sr wrote:
I just had trim tilt failure in one of my Johnson 70s (J70TLEC  . The motor dropped just after I raised it and there was a sheen on the water. After much investigation, I found that new fluid would just squirt out of this drain hole - the plug was missing. My guess is that it corroded away.
I cannot find one either and the manual diagrams do not even show it.
Have you had any luck finding one? -Mark
Mark
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I did speak to my marine dealer today and he said he spent twenty minutes looking at his parts listings and could not locate this as an available replacement part.
He did say to try a screw that had 1/8 pipe thread, (fine thread) and that this brass plug was probably lock tite secured at the factory and not meant to be removed. He said if they had to drain a t/t they remove the entire unit and drain it via the fill opening....
I did measure this brass plug as a 5/16". As best I could with fine threads.
STANDBY as I have just taken some pictures if I can get them posted.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 8:12 PM
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That would be a 1993 model by the model number on the plate.
I don't understand why a dealer doesn't have or can't get this part.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 8:15 PM
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ioptfm wrote:
Could you possibly use a flat head screw instead of a set screw untill you can locate the OEM? You may have a better shot at finding that vs a setscrew. If you have a really nice hardware store in your area you'll have a better shot at finding it there more so than a building supply.
I have been to 3 marine dealers, True Value, Home Depot, Lowes, and Fastenal so far.
As a boat owner of 35 plus years I am not giving in, I am just getting motivated.
Like the Coast Guard says, "Don't worry Elvis, if your out there we'll find you."
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 8:21 PM
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Joe Kriz wrote:
That would be a 1993 model by the model number on the plate.
I don't understand why a dealer doesn't have or can't get this part.
Joe, I really don't know either,
I had gone to another marine dealer and his son said they had an old t/t in a box that was for parts and I could have the part if they could get it off.
Well, he put a wrench to her and she did the same thing, rounded her off just like warm butter.
I am going back on line to see if 1993 may show this, but I think I already tried that.
Just took some photos on my digital camera would like to share.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 8:40 PM
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Mark Sr wrote:
I have bought 5 or 6 different set screws and test fitted them. 1/4" is too small, 5/16 is too big. I need to find 9/32". I also tried metric and 6mm is too small, 8mm too big, and no one has 7mm.
My local OMC shop guy said it did not exist. Then he found an old one TNT unit in the shop. It was missing the plug as well.
I just took some pictures of my missing one as well as the other motor's trim tilt with the plug still in. Not sure how to post them in a thread yet.
I am just reluctant to tap a new hole with the unit still on the boat. I had everything off except the lower horizontal pivot rod at the bottom of the TNT assembly. My recessed transom with twins is tight. Hard to hammer the rod out as the hull is 5-6" away and the rod is 8-9".
-Mark
MARK you and I are looking for the same thing.
I measured the brass plug as a 5/16 and you are at a 9/32, we are getting awful close there, don't retreat. It needs to be 27 threads per inch. very fine.
Do we have a machinist out there that can help?
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| Joe Kriz |
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One way to tell, if you still have the plug, is what nut fits this plug?
When I have some odd ball type of bolt, I try all the nuts to see which one will fit.
Fine thread, metric, whatever...
Unless of course it is a pipe plug then nothing will fit.
Below is a photo of the plug.
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| tkhvdh |
Posted on 07/24/09 - 9:33 PM
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Turpin wrote:
If it is that hard to locate an OEM, and yes I too like to replace with OEM when I can, Why not re-thread to something you can find. I understand I may maybe talking out of my a@# since I haven't seen the project but unless it has some special sporty machining to it, it's just a plug.
Turpin, I agree with you for sure and this is on our plan B list.
It is in one of those hard to get at spots.
What's new, that's why they call it boating.
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| Mark Sr |
Posted on 07/25/09 - 4:19 AM
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I have considered taking the plug out of my other motor's trim tilt and using it to shop with. I am afraid it would strip out and I would then be looking for two.
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