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| edmaude |
Posted on 08/11/13 - 8:56 AM
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I just picked up my 1983 Outrage 18 with the original 90hp Evinrude. After smoking my entire block up yesterday, switching powr packs, bad thermostats and more with the now horribly running engine. I decided to bite the bullet and re-power with and E-Tec 150. I have a quote in central NY for 12,300 with 6 year warranty, free rigging, Constrols, stainless prop etc, and testing on the lake for proper prop and tuning.
This seems like a good deal and the local dealer seems to be a decent shop as well.
Any insight on this being a good price? What does Evinrude include in their promotions of "free rigging"?
I plan to have the engine off and only the electrical box and breaker still attacked.
New steering will be needed as well since it has the original dual cable on it now. Is baystar the way to go?
Thanks everyone
Ed
Edited by Phil T on 08/13/13 - 6:02 PM
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| EaglesPDX |
Posted on 08/11/13 - 9:39 AM
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Dude...go with the Mecury 150 Four Stroke. Quieter, cleaner. A 3.0 liter torque machine. No adding oil. Greater resale value. Troll controls with the Eco-Meter which helps you find most efficient cruise with all kinds of load variations.
Here's a performance report from someone who put a 150 Merc Four stroke on their Outrage 18.
RPM-Speed-GPH
3000 20.9 3.8
3500 26.5 4.8
4000 32.1 6.4
4500 36.3 8.1
5000 40.0 10.2
5500 44.0 13.7
5760 46.0 14.6 WOT
They reported most efficient was 5.7 mpg at 24 mph at a lazy 3250 RPM. If you look at the head to head third party test, the Evinrudes were 20% less fuel efficient than Optimax and the Optimax is about 20% less fuel efficient than the Merc Four strokes.
http://www.mercurymarine.com/engines/...ID=58&
I repowered my Outrage 22 with the 150 and get 44 mph and 4-5 mpg efficient from 20 to 30 mph. Gives you an idea of the power of the engine.
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| kamie |
Posted on 08/11/13 - 9:50 AM
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That sounds like a pretty good deal, but you will need to check with the dealer to see what he is including in the "free rigging" as I don't see the promotion listed on the evinrude website. You can also check the Evinrude website and confirm the dealer is authorized to sell and install the outboards.
Baystar is fine for the 150HP, I love my hydraulic steering, best thing other than the engine that i did for the boat.
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| whalerman |
Posted on 08/11/13 - 1:11 PM
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The Bay star system is not recommended for your application,IMO. The Bay star system is rated to 150 hp but the Sea star system is a much better steering cylinder in the way/method it is held in place. The 150 hp on your hull makes for a "high performance" rig and the Sea star system will handle the steering loading better. If $$'s are tight, scrimp somewhere else in the boat not the steering/control of the boat. Mount engine all the way up and turn a 17 - 18 pitch wheel.
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| kamie |
Posted on 08/11/13 - 2:09 PM
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Oh yea and no maintenance for 3 years or 300 hours rec use whichever is longer. To winterize the engine, you push a button, literally and ask about the new controls with the RPM tune to fine tune the RPM's and dial it in just right for your specific application. Great for trolling, wish i could add it to my setup. Have the dealer setup the engine for XD100
I know that Teleflex continues to say the Baystar will work up to and including 150HP. I have a sea star on mine but then i have more than a 150HP so i had no choice.
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| edmaude |
Posted on 08/11/13 - 6:41 PM
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Thanks folks,
I am not thrilled to drop this much money, but in the long term it is better than purchasing an old used 150 outboard that could crap out on me. The dealer I am hoping to work with just emailed me and he is not certain when he can get a new 150 from the factory. I'm not thrilled that I may lose the rest of the season waiting for a motor, but I am in too deep now to turn back.
Oh well
Ed
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| OutragousBob |
Posted on 08/13/13 - 5:13 PM
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Edmaude,
As someone who has recently re-powered I think you will fall in love with your boat all over again. I know its not cheap but the piece of mind you will get from a new motor is priceless. The price you have been quoted for the ETEC sounds very fair. I vote for the ETEC with SeaStar. I have BayStar and love it but I only have a 90HP. Good luck.
Bob.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 08/13/13 - 6:06 PM
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Consider installing traditional cable steering to ease the financial drain. You can always do hydraulic in a year or two.
Do a search here for the best prop recommended and make sure the dealer mounts the engine as recommended by the gurus here. Don't let the dealer push you to go one-hole up.
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| Silentpardner |
Posted on 08/13/13 - 6:15 PM
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Definitely go with the seastar hydraulic steering in my opinion. No sense in having a new engine that is hard to steer, the cost is worth it.
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| aeriksen |
Posted on 08/13/13 - 7:24 PM
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A two stroke has more torque out of the hole, my 130 hp E-tec jumps on plane, the fuel consumption is good. I have a 18 ft Outrage and cruises 30 mph @ 4000 rpm @ 6 gal an hour. (actually a little less than that) I looked at the Mercs before my purchase but after reviewing the reviews on the internet and the classic two stroke four stroke tug of war my mind was made up. I set mine up for the XD 100 oil. Good luck in your choice.
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| EaglesPDX |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 5:02 AM
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aeriksen wrote:
A two stroke has more torque out of the hole, my 130 hp E-tec jumps on plane, the fuel consumption is good. I have a 18 ft Outrage and cruises 30 mph @ 4000 rpm @ 6 gal an hour. (actually a little less than that) I looked at the Mercs before my purchase but after reviewing the reviews on the internet and the classic two stroke four stroke tug of war my mind was made up. I set mine up for the XD 100 oil. Good luck in your choice.
Not to start the two vs four debate but you really have to compare engine to engine, two or four stroke. Super charging and displacement and electronic controls have changed all that. What advantages the two strokes had are long gone, the advantages of the four strokes, quiet, fuel efficient, reliability, are even greater.
Take the example above, a 130HP two stroke gets the same mpg as a 150 HP four stroke.
It's why even mfgs. like Yamaha and Mercury with legacy two stroke products don't sell them for new boat production. All new boat mfg.s offer the Yamaha or Merc four strokes not two strokes. If the two strokes made their boats perform better, they'd offer two strokes.
This affects resale value also.
The new Yamaha 200 I4 (or its 150 I4) or the new Mercury 150HP I4 four strokes are the best matches for the Outrage 18. It was the best match for my Outrage 22.
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| OutragousBob |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 7:23 AM
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In my quest for a new outboard I was told that BRP required hydraulic steering on Etecs over 90 hp. I was told this by Dover Marine in Dover NH. I didn't go with an Evinrude or talk to any other Evinrude dealers so I can't say for sure that its true.
As someone who bought a 4 stroke I will tell you that modern 2 strokes have their place. They are usually lighter than 4 strokes of a given hp and produce a much different power curve. For a given displacement a two stroke can produce much more power than a four stroke. I believe it is generally excepted that a four stroke needs 33% more displacement than a two stroke to make the same power. In some applications such as dirt bikes and snowmobiles it is approaching 50% due to the tuned expansion chambered exhaust systems they can use. Suffice to say the two strokes best days may just be coming.
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| Silentpardner |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 11:55 AM
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edmaude wrote:
I just picked up my 1983 Outrage 18 with the original 90hp Evinrude. After smoking my entire block up yesterday, switching powr packs, bad thermostats and more with the now horribly running engine. I decided to bite the bullet and re-power with and E-Tec 150. I have a quote in central NY for 12,300 with 6 year warranty, free rigging, Constrols, stainless prop etc, and testing on the lake for proper prop and tuning.
This seems like a good deal and the local dealer seems to be a decent shop as well.
Any insight on this being a good price? What does Evinrude include in their promotions of "free rigging"?
I plan to have the engine off and only the electrical box and breaker still attacked.
New steering will be needed as well since it has the original dual cable on it now. Is baystar the way to go?
Thanks everyone
Ed
I can't find any part of the original poster's post that asks anything about the 2-strokes vs. 4-strokes argument, nor am I able to decipher that this person is asking for any advice on what brand or horsepower of engine he should put on his boat. It appears to be clear, at least to me, that this person has already made the decision and is going to install a 150 HP Evinrude E-Tec on his Outrage 18. Whether this is a sound choice or not is not a question that was asked.
Why can't a member/poster of this site make up his/her own mind regarding a brand and horsepower rating of an engine to put on his/her OWN boat without a bunch of "armchair expert's" using his/her post as a springboard to tout their own brand/horsepower decisions? This appears to me to be insulting the original poster by insinuating that he is somehow stupid and/or ignorant.
Think about it.
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 12:10 PM
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Well said Silentpardner! Cheers
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 12:34 PM
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The E-Tec 150 is a great choice for an Outrage 18' if you want it powered at max rated hp for the lightest weight.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=6
There is a reason that many people have to choose a smaller 4 stroke on their 22' or other models, as the 4 strokes sometimes can be much heavier in the same given HP.
Look at the weights here and also the CARB3 rating. Some of the 4 strokes aren't even as clean rated as the 2 strokes. So, saying that all 4 strokes are cleaner then new 2 strokes is a False statement.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=30
The 22's are rated for max of 240 hp.
The 18's are rated for max of 150 hp.
Plenty of discussions here on what people think the least amount of hp is right for them.
I don't even list the 150 hp on the 22' page for a reason.
It is a common opinion here that all motors made today are good choices.
Depends on what you need, where your local dealer(s) are located, etc.
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| OutragousBob |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 3:10 PM
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Silentpardner,
I hope your diatribe wasn't pointed at my post regarding a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke. I was just trying to reaffirm the OP's original choice of power which I believe is a fine one. I also agree with your point about some people needing to tell everyone what is right for them.
Cheers.
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| edmaude |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 3:20 PM
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Thanks for all the insight, but I am set on the E-tec.....
I reached out to approx 6 dealers, 3 of which are platinum level as well. I plan to put a deposit down tomorrow to even have a shot of using the boat in late September it seems. Price is all over the place, but I am waiting for the written quote from the original dealer I had started with
I am waiting for a price on the Seastar system as well, which I imagine I will go with
Ed
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 4:12 PM
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I installed Seastar steering on my Outrage 18 last year, and am very happy with it overall.
One suggestion which was made, after I bought my helm, was to go with the higher volume pump, for fewer turns lock to lock. I have the 1.7, but do wish I'd gone for the 2.0 or 2.4. With the 1.7, steering effort is very light, but it takes a lot of rotation for slight change in course. I'm turning the wheel as much as a 1/4 turn for a slight course change at 30mph.
See this thread for more detail: http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...rowstart=0
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| EaglesPDX |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 4:33 PM
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OutragousBob wrote: For a given displacement a two stroke can produce much more power than a four stroke. I believe it is generally excepted that a four stroke needs 33% more displacement than a two stroke to make the same power.
An idea that has been proven to be obsolete. The highest HP to displacement outboard on the market is the 100 cubic inch 200 HP Mercury Verado four stroke. A 200HP two stroke Yamaha is 158 cu inches as is the 200 HP Evinrude two cycle. . An example of the results of supercharging and electronic controls.
Also a bit misstated since power is HP and a 200HP engine is a 200HP engine. The power is identical The torque curves might look different which is probably what is meant.
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| whalerman |
Posted on 08/14/13 - 4:37 PM
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Edmaude- sounds great and I'm sure you'll really like what choice(s) you made for your new set-up. Keep us posted on the project. I have done all this twice with two different boats and enjoyed every minute doing it. Did you price out a 135 HO, cranks out about 148 hp?
Edited by whalerman on 08/14/13 - 4:38 PM
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