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New engine for an old lady..
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Posted on 06/20/11 - 5:37 PM
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Okay guys- 1965 16' Sakonnet. Been restoring this for so long, the hull is as done as it is going to be and the mahogany and brightwork looks great. I will post pics soon. Finally completed all the new wiring and gauges, etc, and then hung the 1982 cyl 70 Merc back onto it. I had it checked out a while back but it has been in storage ever since. I figured I'd try it and see if I could make it go..long story short. It doesn't and I don't want to spend a cent on the motor. Someone else can. Needs a new starter motor, and carbs cleaned minimum. I haven't even attempted to remove the lower unit because I saw the previous owner didn't for some time. Even if I get it running..I am always going to be worried about being adrift in Nantucket Sound asking some poor guy trying to enjoy himslef to tow me in..
So- New power. I am thinking Yamaha, 4 stroke. I prefer to buy new. I plan on close off shore fishing, and I'd like to be able to get my 15 yr old son some tubing fun as well.
I am coming here on purpose, so go ahead guys..suggest away.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 06/20/11 - 5:44 PM
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My two choices would be either the new Yamaha 70 HP four stroke at 260 pounds or the E-Tec 90 HP two stroke at 320 pounds.
Check the weights here:
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=5
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Posted on 06/20/11 - 7:24 PM
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Thanks Joe- I can't believe the 90 is almost 100 lbs more.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 06/20/11 - 7:32 PM
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Well, 60 pounds heavier than the 70HP anyway.
The E-Tec 90 HP is the lightest in its class.
If the 70 HP isn't enough ponies, then the E-Tec 90 HP would be my choice.
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 5:12 AM
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Well I just noticed and read this thread where he said he got 33kts out of the Merc 60 on his 15'. If that can translate anywhere near the same with a 70 on my 17' then yeah that woud be plenty. As it turns out I have a buddy who works for a Yamaha dealer. He told me last night he could I could buy it through him at their cost.
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=12688&pid=79162
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 5:19 AM
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For what it's worth, I get 32 MPH out of the Honda BF 50 hanging off the back of my 1987 Montauk. Granted, that's just me aboard in ideal conditions.
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 5:24 AM
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FYI: I get 33.8 mph/gps @ 5400rpm WOT with a 2 stroke 70 Yamaha on my 16' classic and throw a 13.5 x 15 Stiletto SS prop. My furniture and fuel load (26 gal.) are possibly a bit heavier than most. The engine is mounted as far above the transome as it will go; lowering it produces porposing.
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 3:32 PM
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Thanks for the feedback guys I appareciate it very much. I want new, my wife wants me to buy used. I may just sell her car, and buy whatever I want, in cash, but then I would be dead, so I couldn't use it anyway.
Seriously though, I prefer new, of course but I have been in the Marina business when I was younger, and a lot of "boaters" are clueless about outboard maintenance, and I really don't want to end up paying for someone else's laziness. That is what I have now. I want to know from day one that all the right things are being done to the motor before, during, and after use, and only "new" gives me that.
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 3:47 PM
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I own a brand new ETEC and I could not be happier. The performance excellent, very low maintenance, every 300 hundred hours, no oil changes, no break in, turn key and go. Just my 2 cents!
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 4:24 PM
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By all means explore the ETEC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I promise you will be impressed. I have one on my 15 and if it were stolen tomorrow I would replace it with the exact same thing. Quiet, sips gas and burns almost no oil, great warranty,extremely quick out of the hole and I get close to 40 WOT!
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 7:14 PM
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Well I have just had to go take a look at their marketing stuff and reviews now, and yeah, I am interested. Having some trouble getting an estimate on say a 75HP ETEC though at this point. It's late and I'm tired but this is something good to sleep on. Thanks again.
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 7:18 PM
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Just a heads Up.....
The 75 and the 90 weigh exactly the same....
I would still go for the 90 even though it may cost slightly more.
More bang for the same weight on the transom.
See Rob's Montauk 17' with an Evinrude 90 HP on the back.
The Montauk look like it floats real nice.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...?user_id=7
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 7:56 PM
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SSCAPE,
If you can get the Yamaha 70 4-stroke at dealer cost and have a friend that works at the dealership and you trust him. What are you waiting for? I would be jumping all over that!
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Posted on 06/21/11 - 8:59 PM
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Second what was said above about the Etec. It's the cleanest engine on the market today, has tons of 2 stroke mid-range power, no oil changes, self winterizing, and pretty much a no hassle great performing engine.
Forgot to add, give these guys a call, they're in Marion and are a certified Evinrude dealer. They'll give you a quote, Richie is great to deal with:
http://www.ajboatcorp.com/
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Posted on 06/22/11 - 3:39 AM
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Another vote for the Yamaha 70 4-stroke. It would meet all of your stated power requirements, it's whisper quiet, and it weighs less than Kirstie Alley's left leg. Not to mention the fact that you could run that boat all day on 12 gallons of gas, and look great doing it.
My second choice would be a Yamaha 90 2-stroke. You can still find new ones if you look around, and they are terriffic motors for your particular application. They perform best on lighter hulls, ant their high power-to-weight ratio (they check in at around 260 lbs.) makes them an excellent choice for classic Whalers. They are reliable, very quiet and fuel-efficient as "old school" 2-strokes go, and they have plenty of pop when set up correctly. A properly sorted 90TLR should be able to nose your Sakonnet up around the 45 mph range under ideal conditions, and it will get you out and back every time in the bargain.
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Posted on 06/22/11 - 5:55 AM
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Great stuff from you guys, thanks alot. I think I have a clear idea of my choices now and I will look at the costs of my options. Looking forward to posting my pics, etc. I may do that with the old merc on it as it is now..
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Posted on 06/22/11 - 7:55 AM
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A few random comments:
- If you're buying a new motor, you may as well buy the new technology (four stroke or DFI) and enjoy it. I would not buy a conventional two stroke in this situation.
- Do not put over 350 pounds on the transom
- If you buy an E-TEC, get the 60 or the 90. I would not bother with the 75 because it is the same as the 90 but with less resale value.
- All the manufacturers have good outboards to meet these criteria. Mercury has probably the weakest options, but if you can live with 60 HP, even they have a model that works too.
- If 70 HP is the minimum you want, that weeds out a lot of 50 and 60 HP options.
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Posted on 06/22/11 - 2:50 PM
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The motor is one thing do not forget the wiring harness and what ever guage package you want. Having to do this change over you will get a heart attack on the extras cost collumn.
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Posted on 06/24/11 - 2:04 PM
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Well my game has changed. Most of you are married so you know...
had a rough week with the wifey.
She won't back me up spending the cash I would need for anything new. Although I do want to make her take along walk of a short pier, I understand not taking on more debt. I am in real estate sales on the Cape and I just closed on a beauty a couple weeks ago and banked a nice check..but business has been way off from normal the ast 3 years or this would have been all done in 2009. She wants to bank most of it for lean times and it's hard to argue..(well, no it isn't)I could easily finance it but that's a no as well. Yes, I do want to stay married. Anyway, all this is a little embarrassing saying all this but I know I am among friends.
I am now looking for any of the aforementioned suitable USED motors for my Sakonnet. I have about 4k as my budget, and I could probably squeak a little more out for new cables and control if I have to. Please let me know if anyone has a good lead on one in the New England area. :-(
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Posted on 06/24/11 - 2:05 PM
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Also- For Sale One 1982 MERC 3 cyl 70 HP outboard motor. Best Offer. ;-)
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