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| TacoHunter |
Posted on 06/06/11 - 11:47 AM
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I've had my boat out a few times now. The previous owner told me when I'm flushing the engine, to disconnect the fuel line and let it run dry when I'm done flushing.
I've been doing that, but it takes me a while to get it started when I take it out. As soon as it starts, it starts instantly every time after that.
So, I'm thinking either I'm under-priming or over-priming when I plug the fuel hose back in and start it for the first time of the day.
It's a 1999 Honda 90 HP 4 stroke. Is there a certain amount of pumps or any other indicator that I should know it's primed?
When I'm struggling with it, the motor usually turns over a lot without starting. Then it might actually start, but die in a few seconds. Then I start getting concerned about draining the battery. A few more times and then I'm in business. Takes about 10 minutes.
This also hurts my ego a little as other boats launch and take off. 
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Posted on 06/06/11 - 12:23 PM
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Taco, how long are you leaving the boat between uses?
If it's less than a couple of weeks, don't run the motor dry.
If it's more than a couple of weeks, use a fuel stabilizer, and still don't run it dry.
If it's several months, running it dry is probably a good idea. If the Honda has an electric fuel pump, you can fill the carbs by pumping the bulb until hard, then turning the key to on to let the fuel pump run. Then off again, pump again. Repeat until the bulb stays hard, and it should start right up. If it's a mechanical or vacuum pump, then get used to cranking - pumping the bulb while doing so may help.
Tim
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| TacoHunter |
Posted on 06/06/11 - 1:22 PM
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Thanks Tim. I've been running it no less than every other week. I use fuel stabilizer, so I'll try keeping it plugged in next time.
I don't think it has an electric fuel pump. I don't hear anything when the key is turned on without the motor being on.
Thank you.
- Mike
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| Paul Graham |
Posted on 06/06/11 - 6:30 PM
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I had a 1996, 75hp Honda for 13 years, it always started instantly if I pumped the bulb until hard and gave it full throttle with choke. As soon as it fired, throttle back and maybe flick the choke if it started to stumble. Have you tried full throttle with choke?
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| TacoHunter |
Posted on 06/06/11 - 7:23 PM
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Hi Paul,
It chokes when I push the key in to start it. I don't keep the key pushed in after it turns over though.
Maybe using the manual choke on the engine would be better?
When you had yours start immediately, was it after running it dry?
I do know I haven't been pumping the bulb till it is hard. Maybe that is part of the problem. I was always worried about flooding it from pumping too much. I don't know much about engines though, I was just guessing.
- Mike
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| Paul Graham |
Posted on 06/06/11 - 8:03 PM
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When I bought the motor new, it was hard to start, the dealer told me full throttle & choke. Yes, I always ran the fuel out of the carberators. I think you should key the key pushed in while cranking, give it a try. Good luck
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 4:59 AM
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Taco, if you have not been pumping the ball until it's hard, that's likely your problem. You can't cause flooding by pumping the ball too much - the float and inlet valve in the carb bowls will stop the flow when it's full, and the bulb will get hard.
I still think it's non-sensical to run the carbs dry every time, given your usage and the fact that you use fuel stabilizer.
Tim
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| CES |
Posted on 06/07/11 - 5:41 AM
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I agree with the above statements about running the carbs dry...especially since you're using the boat weekly.
I too used to run my carbs dry after each use.....but it became painful doing so after each trip especially since I'm running in the same fresh water lake all the time.
Now, I typically pull the boat(s) out of the garage, fire them up before I head tot he ramp and call it good.
Also, ICO the primer ball....also like what was said above, squeeze until the ball is hard......just a good rule of thumb.
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 7:41 AM
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As tim said, you don't need to drain the carbs. You are making it harder than it needs to be.
My Montauk's motor was carb'ed and it sat for weeks at a time. No problems.
Most non-EFI motors have a unique procedure for a cold start. Each engine has a personality.
Experiment with choke and throttle to find what works (documenting settings and results will help you remember what you have tried). It takes time but once you have it, a cold start will be a no brainer.
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 8:04 AM
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Hold the primer with the arrow, fuel flow direction, pointing to the sky when pumping the ball. It will not work well if you don't. Also, if the engine has oil injection, do not run it dry after using. This tends to fill the carbs with oil. Never start at full throttle.
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 8:14 AM
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hold the choke in at least until the motor tries to fire. pushing it in and releasing prior to the engine trying to fire is not helping. Just hold it in give a little high idle as well.
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| TacoHunter |
Posted on 06/07/11 - 12:13 PM
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Thanks all. I also really like the idea of starting her up before heading out. Especially since I drive 30 to 60 miles to launch.
Can I safely start it up till it run for let's say 1/2 minute without hooking up a hose to the water intake?
- Mike
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 12:44 PM
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 1:03 PM
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TacoHunter wrote:
Can I safely start it up till it run for let's say 1/2 minute without hooking up a hose to the water intake?
You need water to lubricate the water pump's rubber vanes. You will trash them in just a few seconds if you run dry.
I really think your entire problem is running the carbs dry. If you skip that, you'll be a lot happier. Try it in your driveway - let it sit, then go ahead and start it after your usual interval. You'll probably find it's reliable enough that you don't even need to start it before each try to the ramp - although it's never a bad idea.
Tim
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 1:27 PM
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TacoHunter wrote:
Can I safely start it up till it run for let's say 1/2 minute without hooking up a hose to the water intake?
Never do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 1:35 PM
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Nice thread. For what it's worth, I run an 88' 90hp Merc and it's taken me nearly a year to feel confident in getting her fired up...sounds remarkably similar to my first year of marriage!
I ended up getting a hose adapter, sitting in my driveway for a weekend and trying different combinations of priming, choking, etc. until I found a pattern that works. For me, prime until firm, key in to choke, turn until motor sputters, back off, key out, turn, and presto. If I'm at the lake and launch and a buddy tries to "help" by firing it up, we usually end up sitting there for 1/2 hr while the carbs dry out. Oh, and I do NOT run the carbs dry. Hope this helps.
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| TacoHunter |
Posted on 06/07/11 - 2:30 PM
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I'm feeling good about this now. Unfortunately I have to keep my boat in storage or I'd go out and try it right now! ... I'll report back after this weekend. Thanks!
- Mike
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 2:36 PM
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Do not dismiss the above post about holding the primer bulb up. this allows the check ball to seat and actually push the gas. Hold it sideways and you will not push as much gas to the system. I think holding the choke in till she fires is the part your missing My self but you can let us know when you get back out in the boat.
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Posted on 06/07/11 - 4:29 PM
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Phil T wrote:Most non-EFI motors have a unique procedure for a cold start. Each engine has a personality.
Ain't that the truth. All of my old carbureted Mercs could be a real PIA if the exact start procedure wasn't followed. I learned to get them all to fire pretty easily but as soon as I let somebody else try, it would inevitably lead to a 10+ minute waiting period because they would always flood the motors with too much choke.
Whole different engine but my procedure for a cold starting my Mercs was to pump the bulb until firm, let the motor turn briefly maybe a second or two with the choke, then release the choke and the motor would usually fire right up with the second twist of the key. More than a brief choke would flood em for sure making starting almost impossible.
Unless the motor was going to sit more than a couple of weeks, I wouldn't run the carbs dry.
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Posted on 06/12/11 - 9:40 PM
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I kept the boat at the house (vs storage) since Thursday. Practiced starting from a cold engine each day. Today I took it out on the water and it only took about 3 or 4 tries. Probably 1 to 2 minutes down from 10.
Thanks guys.
- Mike
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