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1968 17' Whaler needs repowering
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| n33077 |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 9:18 AM
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Ok Here is my Dilema. I have 1968 17' model. Just bought a newer style coonsole and seat (flip). The old engine is a Merc 80. Mechanic says it's toast.
A new Yamaha 90 EFI (4 stroke) engine, with new cables, controls, and gauges will be about $10k.
Is it worth it and can I sell the boat for what I'll have into it? Boat condition is average, trailer is good.
Online I've seen other Montauks for about $7,000.
Opinions appreciated.
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| wjsherid |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 9:26 AM
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You should be able to repower for a little less than that...I just repowered my Montauk with a two stroke 90hp for $5800 engine + 250 Shipping + Cost to Mount/Rig (~ $300 still haven't gotten bill)
Here is a new Four Stroke on eBay in the Crate for $6700 + 280 Shipping in 48 states. I could only imagine that rigging/controls might cost you another $1000 max...=8K
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-90-YAMAHA-FOUR-STROKE-4-OUTBOARD-ENGINE-MOTOR-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ111125QQihZ010QQitemZ200244666510QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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| Blackduck |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 9:32 AM
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I would also go for the 2-cycle Yamaha 90. I like it's price and 265 pounds of weight.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 9:41 AM
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Not sure which 17' model you have but the Montauks were not made until 1973.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=14
For current engine choices on the 16/17' models, see this article:
http://www.whalercentral.com/readarti...ticle_id=5
Look through this section on Whaler models and let us know which model you have.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...allery.php
Generally, putting a new engine on any Whaler, you will lose money when reselling unless you keep the boat for many years.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 9:49 AM
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Is this the 1968 Nauset you bought?
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...post_20954
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| n33077 |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 10:35 AM
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Actually it is. It is a Nauset. I plan on adding a newer center console to it and the the more modern flip bench seat with a 19 gallon gas tank. ($700). I would also like to add the rear bench seat to it. I figure if I added this stuff then it becomes a Montauk (Or is this like putting lipstick on a pig?)
I don't use the boat for fishing per se, but my friends and I do run the boat to Annapolis for dinner after sailing and sometimes ride through the waterways at a leisurely pace to see how the upper class lives....
I've only had it only a couple of months and have used it maybe three / four times. We usually go sailing but once in a while it's fun to go fast.
I checked iboats.com for used engines. They seem to have pretty good deals on used (newer) outboards. They have a Merc 75HP (4 stroke) for $4,300 (+ shipping), a 90( 4 stroke) for $5,400 + shipping = $5,900, and a Yamaha 2 stroke for about the same as the Merc 90.
I figure by the time I get everything else I'm looking right around $8,000 (depending on the engine).
So the question is will the Merc 75 give me about the same performance as my Merc did? Or should I just give it up and w/ the 90? I'd love the Yamaha, but I think it is too expensive.
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| jwkennedy92 |
Posted on 08/06/08 - 7:19 PM
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i know there has been lots of discussion on this topic, and i'm not sure if there's a consensus, but i think the newer 90-hp 4-strokes are too heavy for these old 17 hulls. most posts i've seen have indicated that your splashwell will be holding water 100% of the time.
i went back-and-forth while making my repower decision. ultimately i wanted a 4-stroke and went with the yamaha 60. i've been very pleased with the decision. does it absolutely haul azz? no. but i've had no problem towing 2 kids on a tube with 2 adults, 12-gal of gas and a full cooler on board at speeds in the lows 30s. i have not tried to ski off it, but i have knee-boarded and it was no problem. and i have a crappy aluminum prop...i'm sure i'd get better performance with a stainless steel prop.
if you want more than 60, then go to the 90. don't bother with the the 75 - it is the same weight as the 90, so you might as well get the extra hp. but i would go with a 2-stroke on an engine this size.
others may disagree...but that's my internet-worthy opinion. 
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| ppoorman |
Posted on 08/07/08 - 7:53 PM
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I had the same dilema when I bought my 67' 16/17 2 seasons ago. A Yamaha 90 2 stroke at 265lb or a Etec at a simmilar weight is the best solution but they are $10k+. I ended up going with a new 2 stroke 90 merc at 300 lb. The 90hp 4 stroke motor's are 400 lbs and that is too much weight for a classic. I have a friend with the same boat only a newer 90 hp 4 stroke and his well is always full of water and his transom is low in the water, he regret's the 4 stroke. If you want 4 stroke though a 60hp would probably be ok for weight. With the 90 2 stroke skiing is no problem and I get her up to 42mph on the gps. Plenty of power. My 90, 2 stroke new was $7,000 installed with tac and throttle but I think I got a good winter deal in Ohio to keep the guys busy. Good luck!
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| Greg Mitchell |
Posted on 09/01/08 - 9:49 PM
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Hello joe, Any suggestions for what engine is recommended for a 1982 Montauk 17. Is there a maximum weight. Thanks
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| joninnj |
Posted on 09/02/08 - 5:19 AM
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This is an interesting topic. The older 17 footers are in a odd spot today with engines. I have seen a few 17's with 4 strokes on this forum... They will work but will be a little heavy at the stern...
BW continued to make the classic 17 hull until recently for a commercial/goverment use. I think they had an engine weight rating of 330 lbs. So 370 is close.
Today, when I have a full tank 28 gals, mine sits deep in the the water close to drains as it is. The consoles on mine are shifted slightly to the stern compared to a standard Montuak, and my battery and tank sit back there as well.
The 90 yamie and Honda are about 370 lbs. About 100 more than the 2 stroke Yamie. Should be OK with these 4 stroke but any heavier I would concerned.
The 2 stroke Yamie (fantasic engine) is at the end of it life. I would surprised to see it produce in its current form next year.
if I were go for a new engine today, 90 ETEC, 90 Tohatsu, 4 stroke Yamie or Honda. The Merc is close but I believe a new design, not sure how they run today.
Happy boating
Jon in NJ
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| n33077 |
Posted on 09/02/08 - 5:46 AM
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Well as fortune may have it; a friend of mine had a 1995 Yamaha 90 2 stroke on a very old boat. Bought the engine for $1500. Freshwater used only. Hopefully this should work out well enough. Waiting for it to shipped up from Florida.
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| HipMOtized |
Posted on 09/07/08 - 10:26 AM
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I think my 1969 is a Sakonnet- is there a way to be sure by looking at serial number? Also, how do I determine shaft length for new engine? I currently have a 1980's 70 HP Evinrude but it's on it's last leg
thx
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| Binkie |
Posted on 09/08/08 - 4:20 AM
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A short shaft outboard measures approx 17" between the cavitation plate, and the part of the bracket that sits on the transom. A long shaft is about 22", and an extra long shaft is 27".
rich
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| HipMOtized |
Posted on 09/11/08 - 3:45 AM
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Thanks- that's helpful
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