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Older Outrage Bow Rails
martinmarine	#1  Posted on 01/28/08 - 8:41 AM
Member Posts: 41 Comments: 0 Joined: 01/02/07	Hello Everyone! We are now building replacement bow rails for all of the older Outrage Hulls. My rails are exact reproductions using 316 L stainless tubing and are designed to mount in the recessed areas of the gunwale. Let me know if anyone has any questions. Thanks! Raymond Martin Martin Marine Design http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d60...utrage.jpg Edited by Joe Kriz on 08/10/13 - 5:13 PM
pjred71	#2  Posted on 01/28/08 - 11:21 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 81 Comments: 0 Joined: 12/21/06	How about the gunnel rails for an 18' Outrage?
Derwd24	#3  Posted on 01/28/08 - 12:04 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	I don't know too many of us with the older style rails that wouldn't mind upgrading to the welded "newer" style to eliminate the loose fastners at each joint... Especially the base plate that loosens and allows the vertical rod to slip down and eventually dig into the fiberglass, letting water in.
duf	#4  Posted on 01/28/08 - 12:28 PM
Member Personal Page Photo Albums Posts: 840 Comments: 9 Joined: 04/22/07	Actually there was an article in one of the posts about using stainless steel rivets as a permanent repair. Is there anything else your company makes for the older Whalers? Duf
joninnj	#5  Posted on 01/28/08 - 1:06 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 408 Comments: 3 Joined: 06/07/07	I used Ray for my rails, and swim platform. He did great job, and is a very nice man to work with. Check out the pictures on my page... Freezing my ass off up here, cant wait for boating season Edited by joninnj on 01/28/08 - 1:07 PM Jon in NJ Many other boats and outboards in my boating history The Whaler is the one I like the best!!!
Derwd24	#6  Posted on 01/28/08 - 1:27 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Amen to that Jon! Did that repair Duff, and it did tighten it up, but I'd still prefer the solid welds...
martinmarine	#7  Posted on 01/28/08 - 1:30 PM
Member Posts: 41 Comments: 0 Joined: 01/02/07	Pj, I can make an exact reproduction of the side rails dimensionally as well as, modified to your specifications. Derwd24 wrote: I don't know too many of us with the older style rails that wouldn't mind upgrading to the welded "newer" style to eliminate the loose fastners at each joint... Especially the base plate that loosens and allows the vertical rod to slip down and eventually dig into the fiberglass, letting water in. Yes, I agree. We do make all welded stainless bow rails for local customers. However, there are a number of factors that really drive the cost up. For one, shipping would be outrageous on a one piece all welded rail. We machine connectors so that the rail can be broken down and shipped UPS. If not for these connectors, the cost of the rail would likely double. Secondly, all welded rails are very labor intensive to build. For this reason, many boat manufacturers are getting their stainless rails made overseas. It takes many hours to fit the tubing because if there are any gaps, the weld will look awful. Finally, it takes many more hours to hand polish each joint. All this adds up to three times the cost of a rail that uses cast bases. The end product is worth it and we do it everyday. However, very few people are willing to pay the price for this work. duf wrote: Actually there was an article in one of the posts about using stainless steel rivets as a permanent repair. Is there anything else your company makes for the older Whalers? Duf pjred71 wrote: How about the gunnel rails for an 18' Outrage? Duf, Stainless steel fabrication accounts for roughly 25% of my business. We do all sorts of fabrication including anodized aluminum, such as t-tops, towers, custom seats, platforms, arches, ski towers, and hardtops. We also do custom upholstery. If you have an idea for a product for your boat that you cant seem to find anywhere else, I can probably build it for you. joninnj wrote: I used Ray for my rails, and swim platform. He did great job, and is a very nice man to work with. Check out the pictures on my page... Freezing my ass off up here, cant wait for boating season Jon, Thanks for all of the kind words! I just sent some rails to a guy in Alaska thanks to your recommendation. I really appreciate it and hope it warms up soon for you! Raymond
duf	#8  Posted on 01/28/08 - 2:28 PM
Member Personal Page Photo Albums Posts: 840 Comments: 9 Joined: 04/22/07	Ray, found a lot of Martin Marine sites and if you would, throw your .com address up, so i know its the correct one. Jon, what can i tell you bro..........move south. Going to be in the 70's most of next week. I have to pick special nights just to throw a log on the fire to have a romantic evening and not be sweating. Duf
GeorgiaWhaler	#9  Posted on 01/28/08 - 3:51 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 39 Comments: 0 Joined: 06/28/07	I bought some of Ray's bow rails for my 17 footer and evenl though they were not welded, his joint fittings seemed to be much tighter than the originals and had little or no rattle. He also knew that I really wanted to take my kids out to watch fireworks on the Fourth of July so he drove an hour to meet me halfway the weekend before to ensure I'd have time to get them installed. You don't get customer service like that very often. I've since sold my Montauk and bought an 84 Outrage. Fortunately the rails are in good shape but I'm sure I'll get the bug for some stainless steel work before its over. Mason St. Simons Island, GA Mason 1985 Outrage 18
highspeed_jd	#10  Posted on 01/28/08 - 7:30 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 28 Comments: 0 Joined: 03/25/05	Great work on the rails.
757markk	#11  Posted on 08/10/13 - 5:07 PM
Member Posts: 1 Comments: 0 Joined: 08/09/13	Can you give me an idea on what it would cost to build a bow rail for a 1980 22 outrage ? Thanks , Mark Agralawns@aol.com
Phil T	#12  Posted on 08/11/13 - 5:34 AM
Administrator Personal Page Personal Album Project Albums Posts: 7043 Comments: 6 Joined: 03/26/05	Mark - this thread was started in 2008. I suggest you email Ray for pricing. His email address is in his profile. (Scroll up to his post and click on his name. )