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1973 21' Outrage Bow Light
Radlax23	#1  Posted on 07/11/14 - 11:48 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 28 Comments: 1 Joined: 07/13/13	The bow light on my 1973 21 Outrage is very different from any bow light that I have seen. I was wondering if anyone might know if its original or if its a replacement. There is a picture of the Bow Light at the bottom of my personal page. Any response would be appreciated. 1973 21 ft Boston Whaler Outrage
Joe Kriz	#2  Posted on 07/11/14 - 12:12 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	See these lights: http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...oto_id=838 There were a couple strange ones during some years but I have never seen one like yours. Someone changed that out at one time. Your bow chock, spacer and bollads look correct though: http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...hoto_id=15 Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 12:15 PM
sraab928	#3  Posted on 07/11/14 - 12:21 PM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1282 Comments: 13 Joined: 12/27/05	The top portion of that light must have been replaced. I have not seen one like that myself. Scott 1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8
kmev	#4  Posted on 07/11/14 - 2:32 PM
Member Posts: 47 Comments: 0 Joined: 11/05/10	Yours is the third 1973 Outrage I have seen with that light. I think it's original. I have seen that light on both 19 and 21-footers. For example: http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/boa/4513714801.html Edited by kmev on 07/11/14 - 2:36 PM
Joe Kriz	#5  Posted on 07/11/14 - 2:36 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	kmev wrote: Yours is the third 1973 Outrage I have seen with that light. I think it's original. I have seen that light on both 19 and 21-footers. Unfortunately that doesn't make it original. It could be a replacement that several, or many, people put on. None of the catalogs show anything like that. We need more evidence.
kmev	#6  Posted on 07/11/14 - 2:38 PM
Member Posts: 47 Comments: 0 Joined: 11/05/10	Hence the "I think" part. It would also be a very unusual coincidence that only owners of 1973 model year Outrages chose to put the same generic Perko on their boat. Edited by kmev on 07/11/14 - 2:43 PM
Joe Kriz	#7  Posted on 07/11/14 - 2:48 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	No idea why but not really. It might be the only replacement part that fit from Perko therefore many people might put it on. Here is another 1973 with the light that is shown in the catalogs. http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...r_id=22665 I have seen many Outrages with replacement side navigation lights that were not Wilcox. Many of the replacements people put on were Perko. It is also possible that Whaler ran out of the other lights and substituted these lights to get their boats out the door. We have seen that before on Hinges and Latches, etc. More investigation is needed before "I think" anything is original. It would be nice to hear from someone who bought a model like this brand new and stated that this was an original light that came on his boat. Unfortunately there aren't too many original owners left of these models. Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 2:51 PM
Joe Kriz	#8  Posted on 07/11/14 - 3:07 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Digging through more personal page photos, I found this. A 1973 Outrage 19' with that light. Not sure when it was made but most likely is 1972 as it is stencil #0001 http://www.whalercentral.com/images/p...er%204.JPG Maybe early 1973 year models had this light and later in 1973 they changed? Radlax boat was made in 11/72 I found no evidence of 1972 year models having this light however. Anyone? Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 3:11 PM
100 Montauks	#9  Posted on 07/11/14 - 4:59 PM
Member Posts: 5 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/17/09	I has a 1973 Outrage down in Naples Fla in mid 80's Had that exact same light on it... It's original.. (EDIT: please follow guideline #1 on the front page and use the full 4 digit year) Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 5:19 PM Keep em Original
100 Montauks	#10  Posted on 07/11/14 - 5:01 PM
Member Posts: 5 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/17/09	I've also got a 1972 Rib Side 21 I'm restoring, have a new bow light for it, but it came with the original and it's the same top portion.... And I know it's original.. (EDIT: please follow guideline #1 on the front page and use the full 4 digit year) Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 5:05 PM Keep em Original
Joe Kriz	#11  Posted on 07/11/14 - 5:06 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	100 Montauks wrote: I've also got a 1972 Rib Side 21 I'm restoring, have a new bow light for it, but it came with the original and it's the same top portion.... And I know it's original.. And how do you know that? You don't tell us if you bought the boat new or not. Any photos of the original boat as you presumably purchased it? This goes for everyone. If you did not purchase the boat brand new, then you really have no idea what is original on the boat or not. I have even seen new Whaler owners have the dealer change some parts before they took delivery. Again, may not be original to Whaler. Also, for those of you that don't put your HIN or Stencil numbers in your boat info, we can't really verify what year of Whaler you have other then you posting that you have some kind of Whaler. Doesn't really help us narrow down anything without any numbers. Thanks anyway. Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 5:28 PM
Jeff	#12  Posted on 07/11/14 - 8:47 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Radlax23, that light on your 21 is OEM. They were much rarer that the standard chromed bronze domed model. I had the same light minus the chock on my 1975 13 sport. I do not have access to my old catalog files right now to post an image, but I think it can be found on page 18 of the 1974 catalog. I seem to remember Tom W Clark knowing the backstory on these odd looking bow light variants. Here are images of my 1975 13 Sport From when I hauled home from the original owners home: hauled home Cleaned up: Finished There was no manufacture information on the light when I disassembled it unfortunately. Just what looked to be a model number of 2700. It also did not feel like it had the weight of being a cast bronze part, more like it was cast zinc or another light weight metal. Have you taken yours apart and have you found any manufacture info on it? Edited by Jeff on 07/11/14 - 9:17 PM 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
Joe Kriz	#13  Posted on 07/11/14 - 10:09 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Good memory Jeff. Page 18 of the 1974 catalog does show one photo of it on a Revenge 19'. No other mention of it anywhere else in the 1974 catalog. No mention of it in any of the parts sections or any other photos of it in the parts section. Maybe it was something they temporarily used but never listed as an available part. The 1973 catalog shows on the accessories page the other light we all know. I have attached a photo below from the 1973 catalog. Jeff, Also I can't get those links to work as it wants me to sign into Picasa. I do not have an account with them so I can't view your photos. Joe Kriz attached the following image: [40.42Kb] Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/11/14 - 10:33 PM
Radlax23	#14  Posted on 07/11/14 - 10:09 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 28 Comments: 1 Joined: 07/13/13	Thanks everyone for the responses. I also did some research on my own. I contacted the man I bought the boat from, he's the original owner. He said that hes never taken anything off the boat nor has he added anything. He also said that he has only seen a few other whaler with the light. Hope this may support that the lights original. Also Jeff I have not taken it apart but when im near the boat again I will take it apart and look for any manufacturing info. 1973 21 ft Boston Whaler Outrage
Joe Kriz	#15  Posted on 07/11/14 - 10:14 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Still, no photo of that strange light can be found or listed in any catalogs Below is another photo of the bow light we know in the 1975 catalog. Joe Kriz attached the following image: [40.16Kb]
Joe Kriz	#16  Posted on 07/11/14 - 10:18 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Radlax, It does look like it came on some boats during that time frame. It certainly didn't come on all the boats in 1973 or 1974, etc., the other light was much more predominant. Why? It appears none of us will ever know as it does not show up in any parts catalogs. Only 1 photo of it can be identified as Jeff mentions above. Maybe Whaler tried using this light on a few boats but changed their mind and switched back to what they were using, (even though your light did hold up all these years) and that's why they never listed it in any of the catalogs that any of us can find. Attached is a photo and a breakdown of the Puck style light. Photo Credit: tyno22 Joe Kriz attached the following image: [120.77Kb] Edited by Joe Kriz on 07/15/14 - 1:21 PM
sraab928	#17  Posted on 07/12/14 - 4:54 AM
Member Project Albums Posts: 1282 Comments: 13 Joined: 12/27/05	Learn something new every day.... Scott 1974 21' Revenge w Mercury 200 ProXS V8
Jeff	#18  Posted on 07/12/14 - 6:58 AM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	OEM puck style light on my 1975 13 Sport Boston Whaler Bow Light 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
Jeff	#19  Posted on 07/14/14 - 2:18 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	I also see it on page 10 of the 1974 Catalog on a Sakonnet for sure. The other possible pages are page 8 on the Currituck (overhead, the round puck is a give-away). Page 17 on the bow of the 21 Outrage that spreads across from page 16 (the side profile of the light and lens is too square to be a domed lamp variant). Page 21 on the bow of the 21 Revenge (in side profile if the chock had a domed lamp it, the back edge would not be showing in perspective behind the bow rail upright as the photo shows). Also, on page 12 of the 1975 Catalog the 16 Montauk looks like it has the puck light as well (the flat up and down reflection indicates it is a flat round object not a domed object). 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive
Jeff	#20  Posted on 07/14/14 - 2:39 PM
Member Posts: 1987 Comments: 34 Joined: 04/02/05	Also, on page 13 of the 1976 catalog on the bow of the Sakonnet (that spreads over from page 12) the bow light is flat and not domed and the reflection indicates it to be a puck like shape. Finally on Page 16 of the 1976 catalog on the bow of the 19 Revenge Stern Drive there is a flat puck light in side profile. Edited by Jeff on 07/14/14 - 2:55 PM 1993 23' Walkaround Whaler Drive