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Is there such thing as a 1980's Montauk 170 ?
Gamalot	#41  Posted on 04/04/12 - 12:03 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1086 Comments: 3 Joined: 06/21/10	That certainly helps Joe, Thank you. Is it safe to say then, if you have a "Smirkless hull Montauk it is considered a 16 with the very rare exception of a few hulls made in late 1976 during the transition to the smirked hull? Those few boats might not have the new smirk but BW changed the designation in that time frame to 17.
Joe Kriz	#42  Posted on 04/04/12 - 12:26 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Gamalot, Very Early 1976 year models only....... Not late 1976 Technically, Yes.... On this site, No... There is already way too much confusion here. We already have far too many people saying they have a 1969 Montauk or a 1981 Montauk 170..... In both cases, these are not correct... For our site: 1973 to 2002 = Montauk 17, or Montauk 17', or 17' Montauk (Classic Hull) http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=14 2002 to Present = Montauk 170, or 170 Montauk (this has the newer Accutrack Hull) http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=34 We know there are some variations and transitions here and there. There are very few boats that fall in the transition period so, even though they may technically fall into there own category, we don't have them listed as it can get confusing. We put them into the major category. Also see this Frequently Asked Question: http://www.whalercentral.com/faq.php?...p?cat_id=5 Edited by Joe Kriz on 04/04/12 - 12:40 PM
Gamalot	#43  Posted on 04/04/12 - 12:41 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1086 Comments: 3 Joined: 06/21/10	I got it Joe and thank you. The only thing I might ad is that if one is searching for parts such as the forward fishing platform or possibly even the correct Winged Console they will have to be absolutely sure if the part fits the smirkless or smirked hull because of interior changes. I know a Bimini top from a 1976 smirked hull will not fit in my 1974 smirkless and my molded fishing platform will not work in a 1976 smirked hull.
Joe Kriz	#44  Posted on 04/04/12 - 12:45 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Correct... That is why we show the different Smirkless and Smirked models... http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=100 We also show the different consoles. http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=58 We also have information in our "OEM Part Photos and Info" link on the left sidebar for parts... Here is the Casting or Forward fiberglass platform with info on what it fits. http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...oto_id=362 They are all Montauks..... but not Montauk 170 models..... Edited by Joe Kriz on 04/04/12 - 1:00 PM
egerrity	#45  Posted on 04/04/12 - 1:02 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 439 Comments: 2 Joined: 07/11/07	Joe Thanks for all the info. I had a chance to look at the different consoles and its amazing to see the differences. Some are very obvious and some are very subtle. Great info and pictures. Ed 1991 Montauk 17 - 2012 ETEC 90HP
Tom W Clark	#46  Posted on 04/04/12 - 7:04 PM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Joe has his hands full classifying things around here, but let's get a few things straight. It is actually incorrect to say an unsmirked hull is a 16 footer and a smirked hull is a 17 footer. The designation for the 16'-7" hull models changed with the 1976 model year. The smirked hull was introduced as a mid-year model change. As weird as it may seem that mid-year model change came in the fall of 1975 and it is a mid-year model change because back then the model year began August 1st. The designation from 16 footer to 17 footer was not juts a marketing gimmick, it was a sensible change to accommodate the then new 15 footer. In model yar 1975 Whaler had 9', 11', 13', 16', 19', and 21' models; 16' nicely spaced between the original 13 footer and the 19 footer introduced the year before. When they brought out the Sport 15 for 1976, it just made sense to change the name of he 16'-7" models from 16 to 17 so the line-up became 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19 and 21 footers.
Joe Kriz	#47  Posted on 04/04/12 - 8:17 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	From all the information I have gathered, and reports and verification from Boston Whaler, there are very, very, few Smirkless 1976 Montauks, regardless of what month or what year they were built. As also mentioned above, these very few models that made it through being 1976 and Smirkless, never had the Montauk 17' decal name on the side. Even though the catalog name changed to Montauk 17 instead of Montauk 16, these 1976 Smirkless models being produced were identical to the Montauk 16 production line. Again, only the 1976 Montauk 17 with the Smirked hull had the new decal on the side.. I only know of 2 Smirkless Montauks that have an actual HIN plate stating they are actually a 1976 year model..... I invite anyone to submit their 1976 HIN numbers and photos of their Smirkless hull.......... Anyone? I don't think there will be any but you never know.... Here is a list of hull numbers we have been looking for........ http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...rowstart=0 We also have a list showing the last of the Smirkless Montauk hulls and the beginning of the Smirked Montauk hulls... http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=17 In our list above, there are only 2 1976 hulls that made it through the production line that are Smirkless... Neither one have the 17' designation on the side as they followed the 16 model format.... So, for this site, I am staying by what I have researched and found. You can be 99.9% sure, if it is Smirkless 16' 7" hull, it is a 1975 year model or below... We have the data input to back those statements up. As we anything else we know about Whalers, there are always some variations. We are always looking for more info like the link I show above... We are looking for 11 more 16' 7" stencil numbers.... As you all can see, we have narrowed this search down to eleven (11) hulls............. I think that is fairly remarkable considering the amount of 16' 7" hulls made...... 3B0352 = Last Smirkless hull (for now this is ChelseaFish) 3B0364 = First Smirked hull (for now this is Paulsv)
Joe Kriz	#48  Posted on 04/04/12 - 8:41 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Here is a little more info on how many 1976 Smirkless 16'7" hulls were possibly produced.... The last 1975 Smirkless hull that we have listed is: BWCB5761M75K 3B0073 And the last 1976 Smirkless hull that we have listed is: BWCB6046M76C 3B0352 0073 minus 0352 = 279 Smirkless hulls for 1976 models that could have been made plus possibly the other elven we are still searching for.... This total number of 290 is most likely less than that as all the info isn't in yet... There cold not have been anymore than 290 16' 7" hulls that are Smirkless.... That isn't very many.......... and I would guess at probably less than half of that is more accurate.... My best guess = About 150 16'7" Smirkless 1976 year models were actually produced.... Those are the facts.... If anyone has any other facts to add, we are listening.... Edited by Joe Kriz on 04/04/12 - 8:45 PM
Joe Kriz	#49  Posted on 04/04/12 - 9:07 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	The above threads were getting kind of lengthy but I think it is time for some acknowledgements here. We couldn't have done this without help from many sources... I want to thank all the members who submitted their information numbers for the Montauk list. Also a big thank you to Chuck Bennett at Boston Whaler and Tom W Clark for always keeping me on my toes...... I have been collecting and researching this information for at least 12 years now and couldn't have done it without the help from all of you... Now, let's try and narrow those last few boats down.......... They could be any 16'7" model of 1975 or 1976 with the stencil numbers we are looking for shown in the posts above......
Tom W Clark	#50  Posted on 04/05/12 - 6:34 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 4280 Comments: 7 Joined: 09/30/05	Thank you Joe for confirming that it is actually incorrect to say an unsmirked hull is a 16 footer and a smirked hull is a 17 footer. As you have just demonstrated, it is not that simple.
Gamalot	#51  Posted on 04/05/12 - 6:44 AM
Member Personal Page Posts: 1086 Comments: 3 Joined: 06/21/10	Thank you all for an informative discussion. I am not sure how many will heed the info here but it is always good to know the history and all the little details of our boats.
Bo Neato	#52  Posted on 04/05/12 - 9:04 AM
Member Posts: 79 Comments: 0 Joined: 09/08/07	Reminds me of the old intro to the sitcom SOAP.... Confused? You won't be if you decide to stay tuned to this episode of WhalerCentral. "This is the story of two Boston Whaler fans, Joe Kriz and Tom W Clark. These are the Krizs, and these are the Clarks. And this is WhalerCentral...."
kamie	#53  Posted on 04/05/12 - 10:35 AM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	I think the part that confuses everyone, is whaler never made neat end of calendar year shifts for some of the longest running boats and significant hull changes such as the change from non-smirk to smirk hulls took place over time with no specific date for the change. This is especially confusing when we discuss calendar year vs model year, when the 1976 model year, actually started August 1, 1975. As for my marketing ploy comment, I agree that the new 17 designation allowed Whaler to round out their size offerings nice and neat but it originated in the marketing and sales department. The one change it did bring about was the actual hull size was no longer larger than the name implied. Prior to the 1976 model year, all hulls were physically larger than their name implied, after 1976 model year that was no longer the case. Name | Hull Size 13 Sport | 13' 4" 15 Sport | 15' 3" Montauk 16 | 16' 7" Montauk 17 | 16' 7" 18 Outrage | 18' 6" 20 Outrage | 19' 10"
Joe Kriz	#54  Posted on 05/04/12 - 1:55 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	With all the information we have here, far too many people are not listing their boat model correctly... I guess this is a losing battle for people to read any information here before posting the incorrect model of boat they have.... Any members have any ideas? Everyone thinks they have a 1990 Outrage 190... There is not such thing. Others think they have a 1980 Montauk 170... There is no such thing... Many people don't even seem to look at the name on the side of their boat. If it says Outrage 19', then it is an Outrage 19', not a 190 as the 190 did not start until 2002 like all the rest of the 3 digit naming scheme.... My boat says Outrage 18' on the side... What boat do I have? An Outrage 180............. NO......... Should be simple to know that if it says Outrage 18', then that's what it is..... I am starting to loose my patience and may have to shut down the "Members Boat Info" section...... I am spending way too much of my time correcting their incorrect entry. ALSO NOTE: WhalerCentral reserves the right to correct any misinformation posted by members whether knowingly or mistakenly...... We have all the information that most people need here on our site but don't seem to read it.... Again, any ideas on how to educate the members that don't have a clue what Whaler model they have?
Derwd24	#55  Posted on 05/05/12 - 12:06 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	Hi Joe, Just a thought... Not sure how difficult it would be, but how about making the first pull down in the boat listing info the year, and then based on that selection by the member, the next pull down below that for Model would be limited to the actual models available within that year span and no others? Or if the second pull down was hull length, then then third pull down would be limited to the names available within both that year span and length of the hull... This might prevent what's been going on if it's possible? Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Joe Kriz	#56  Posted on 05/05/12 - 12:22 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Dave, Great idea.... I think it can be done but not sure if I can program that in. Will take a look into it though... Thanks
kamie	#57  Posted on 05/05/12 - 12:32 PM
Member Personal Page Project Albums Posts: 2975 Comments: 3 Joined: 11/04/05	I was thinking the same thing Dave, but it still won't limit the confusion in the discussion area. It might be a start.
Derwd24	#58  Posted on 05/05/12 - 1:17 PM
Member Posts: 1607 Comments: 9 Joined: 05/09/07	True enough Kamie. Maybe if it's possible to do the above, as part of the registration process to join, new members (who own a Whaler already) are taken to the boat info page and are asked to fill out the form so they get it straight from the start? Dave - 1983 Outrage 22
Joe Kriz	#59  Posted on 04/11/14 - 4:42 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	Tom W Clark wrote: It is actually incorrect to say an unsmirked hull is a 16 footer and a smirked hull is a 17 footer. Just came across this older thread and saw that it doesn't show the correct designation and the difference between a 16 foot model without the Smirk, and the 17 model that does have the smirk. According to Boston Whaler, all 16' 7" models with the small bow locker (which is a smirkless hulls) is called a 16' model. See this official Whaler designation. http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/at...cation.jpg Also see this article which describes why a Smirkless 16 model has the 16 designation according to Whaler. http://www.whalercentral.com/faq.php?...p?cat_id=5 So, according to Boston Whaler, all 16' 7" hulls with the small bow locker, and Smirkless , are called 16' models regardless of what year they might be.
Joe Kriz	#60  Posted on 04/11/14 - 5:20 PM
Site Owner Personal Page Personal Album Photo Albums Project Albums Posts: 11447 Comments: 452 Joined: 03/18/05	One more thing I would like to add and food for thought for some of you. I have never seen a 16' 7" Montauk 16, with the small bow locker and smirkless hull, with factory decals on the side MONTAUK-17' From all the photos we have and all the Montauks I have personally seen, none of the smirkless models ever had that Montauk 17' decal. I have only seen them on the Smirked hulls with the larger bow locker which is actually when Whaler started calling them 17' models. Anyone have any photos of something different? Yes, it could be possible that someone added those decals so we couldn't be certain they are factory unless someone purchased that boat new. Let us know if you have anything to add. Edited by Joe Kriz on 04/11/14 - 5:23 PM