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Outrage 18' owners with Side Rails (research)
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| mct |
Posted on 09/14/11 - 5:36 PM
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If you are still interested in what Whaler put on 18' Outrages, the side rails on my 1987 18' are 62".
If I can figure out how to post a picture, I will.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/14/11 - 5:44 PM
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mct,
Unfortunately many dealers put on the incorrect side rails on 18' models.
It seems apparent to us that many Outrage 18's had Outrage 22' side rails installed on them at the dealer.
Take a look at the article I show in the post #1 above.
Outrage 18' rails should not be 62 inches long....
The Outrage 18' part numbers are different from the Outrage 22' models so they are not the same length.
Outrage 22' models are 62 inches in length.
Outrage 18' models should be 48 inches but could possibly be 55 inches on some models we have seen.
Still not positive but 48 inches seems to be a perfect fit and more in proportion.
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| mct |
Posted on 09/14/11 - 6:30 PM
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I figured out how and added a picture to my personal page that shows the railings and the rest of the boat.
As for the railings, my family is the original owner and, to be honest, we never noticed the difference. From seeing other 18' Outrages oner the years I have seen many different railing configurations.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/14/11 - 7:45 PM
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mct,
I agree with you as we are all in the same boat.
We have all seen different length railings on different model Outrages.
I think it would be safe to say that many dealers didn't even know the difference and that is why we see the wrong railings on the wrong boat or the railings they installed are the only railings they had in stock at the time.
We have seen several other members that bought their boat brand new and the dealer added the wrong length side rails.
Of course this doesn't really matter what rails a boat has but we are just trying to figure out the part numbers of the original rails and their length.
We know the part numbers but we don't know the exact length of rails the part numbers should have.
Outrage 18' should be 48 inches. (maybe 55 inches but questionable)
Outrage 22' should be 62 inches.
This is almost positive as this is what all Outrage 22's have on them that we know of that were original.
You have a very nice Outrage 18' there. Glad you got your personal page up and running.
Nice stern seat and bow step cushions.
One thing, did someone turn the teak seat back around on the RPS as originally the storage cutout faces to the rear?
Some people like it the way you have it but that is backwards from original. Just a tip in case you weren't aware...
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| mct |
Posted on 09/14/11 - 8:51 PM
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The center bench seat has been facing that way since day one. I have seen it the other way, but I haven't known different and like it this way for a little extra storage for small items. The boat originally came with two captains chairs as there are two circles made of screws on the deck. I guess whoever put the wrong size railings on also put my seat in backwards.
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| Blue Vue |
Posted on 09/19/11 - 10:24 PM
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Thanks Joe, sorry for late reply, been off working. Hopefully have some time to dig into this later in the week!
-BV
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| scoslv20 |
Posted on 09/29/11 - 8:27 PM
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Joe,
You wanted to know if the side rails on my V-20 were original. Well, the answer is no. I fabricated them myself as per the drawing on this site. I don't have access to the boat right now, but I think they are 62 inches long. I also want to say that this site was very helpful in my year-long restoration process on the V-20 Outrage. I love the boat!
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| gusgus |
Posted on 01/03/12 - 10:24 AM
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I believe these aren't original however, no history of anything else exists. but this is an 1987, 18 foot Outrage.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6218/6352478003_844670c5a6_z.jpg
1987 Outrage 18 W/150 Merc and 8 Honda |
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/03/12 - 10:34 AM
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gusgus,
Those are original "Grab" rails you have and not "Side" rails.
As you can see, grab rails are different than side rails.
Most boats only have one pair of grab rails but someone put 2 pair of grab rails on your boat.
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| gusgus |
Posted on 01/05/12 - 2:26 AM
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OK?
I see the difference, but surely are confused at to why the name difference between grab and side rails.
So isn't a rail just a rail, but design differences aren't usually named.
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 01/05/12 - 7:39 AM
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They're named so one gets the model they want when placing an order for a particular rail. Bow rail, console rail, shepherds crook, side rails, grab rails. No internet pictures of everything when the Outrage 18 was built and sold...
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/05/12 - 10:19 AM
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As Marko888 states, they are named so people order the correct parts.
Also see post #4 and post #8 as we discussed this in the beginning of this thread.
The grab rails also have different part numbers than the side rails.
Grab Rails:
Outrage 18' = part #15-0872-00
All larger models seem to be = part #15-0576-00
The Boston Whaler Options Catalogs show the different rails.
See the attached photo.
(courtesy Boston Whaler)
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 02/10/12 - 11:47 PM
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Joe,
When you cut your 62" rails shorter, did you use a hack saw, or one of those roller pipe cutters, like a plumber would have? The pipe cutter would do a nice square cut...but only if tough enough to cut stainless?
I have the sane issue, 62" rails on my 18. Yours look better, so I'm gonna follow your thinking and cut them down to 48".
cheers
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 02/11/12 - 11:07 AM
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Mark,
I used a hack saw.
The cut doesn't have to be perfect as it is hidden under the T- fitting.
However, the squarer the better. You can always file it to and remove all the burrs inside and out.
I also used a Hot Dog to join the two pieces back together under the fitting...
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 02/22/12 - 12:17 AM
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JOe,
here is another 18 with shorter rails
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1078/1...13de_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2039/2...d9ff_b.jpg
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| mtown |
Posted on 02/23/12 - 12:00 PM
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Joe,
I have a 1986 18' and it has no side rails. I bought the boat in 1990 from original owner [I was with him when he bought it from Baltimore Chris Craft at a boat show]. I have all original paper work including the small pamphlet titled Boat Prices ans Specifications. Effective February 1 1986. The page for Outrage 18 has little marks next to the options on the boat as purchased. Un-marked are two side rail options.
#1 STAINLESS STEEL SIDE GRAB RAILS [Pair] * 15-0872-00
#2 STAINLESS STEEL SIDE RAIL KIT * 15-0872-00
When you look to see what the * is for it simply says cannot be installed together.
The Boston Whaler full color sale brochure from the same year shows 3 pictures of 18 Outrage boats. Two have what I would call the "grab rails" and one has none.
The owners manual [18-25 foot Models] shows an 18 on the front cover with none.
The Boston Whaler Options brochure from the same year show the two rails available as" Side Rails" with a picture of the rail in such a way that it would be a wild guess as to length.
The second picture says "Side Deck Grab Rails" also for use along the gunwale but don't consume as much space as the side rails.
In the actual checklist for choosing options they are described the same with no length given. What is odd is there is the following.
Stainless Side Rails, can"t be installed with side Grab Rails.[n/aon 22C]. On the facing page is a 22 Cuddy with side rails about 48" long to my eye. All the boats with any ID on them are from Mississippi [MS] so maybe a dealer down there could help.
Just re read some of your posts and have the following.
Outrage 22 cuddy no listing for side rails as option.
Outrage 22 Side Rail Kit 15-0874-00 $170
Outrage 20 Side Rail Kit 15-1315-00 $170
Outrage 25 Stainless Steel Side Rails [Pair] $187
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 01/20/13 - 4:35 PM
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I finally measured the original side rails on my 1985 Outrage 18, and they are 68" centre to centre between the mounting bases. Odd ball one-of set I suppose? The boat originally came from Michigan.
I plan to cut them down as Joe did with his before remounting back on my new gunwales.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/20/13 - 4:53 PM
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Mark,
I am not sure what to make of your side rails.
Hard to tell if someone had yours made or what.
I also saw your comment about your side rails and have been thinking about it.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=90
In comment #5, we haven't heard back from Eri on the length of his rails for the Newport 18'.
You can view his personal page here.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...r_id=11416
His rails look to be more the same length as yours. (just a guess by looking)
I like the length of mine at 48 inches. They are longer and higher then Grab Rails and not too long where it makes it harder to get in and out of the boat. (dogs too)
I used "Hot Dogs" to splice my rails beneath the fitting. Both the rail and the Hot Dog was threaded to accept the standard screw.
Not sure if you have the same screws or not.
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...oto_id=347
Good Luck and let us know how they come out.
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| Marko888 |
Posted on 01/20/13 - 5:54 PM
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Joe,
The rails on that Newport appear identical to mine in length, as evidenced by the forward mounting on the glass, and rear mount just forward of the rod holder, though I suppose it is possible the rod holder is in a different location...
Looking at the parts on my old gunwales, 50" looks to be my magic number for the cut down.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 01/22/13 - 1:08 PM
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Mark,
I found another one like yours.
This is on a 1984 Outrage 18'
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...er_id=6200
This boat is located in Michigan.
Maybe the same Michigan dealer was putting these rails on Outrage 18' models?
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