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Here we go.... My 13 is in the garage
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| Binkie |
Posted on 02/16/08 - 5:06 AM
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When I installed my rubrail last June in Fl. it was over 90 degrees in my garage, and Immersed the coil of rubrail in a 5 gallon bucket of really hot water to soften it up a bit. It works easier that way, and you can get it to straighten out. Any way you cut it its not a fun job, especially if you do it single handed, like I did. BTW I used the supplied rivets, as once they are in they won`t back out.
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Posted on 02/16/08 - 5:11 AM
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Another thought. Don`t work on rough concrete like a driveway. You will put scratches on our rubrail by laying on rough concrete. My garage floor is painted and smooth, but many people will put their boat on the grass to do this job.
Rich
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 02/16/08 - 6:15 AM
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Thanks for the tips Rich! I definitely think this will be a warm weather couple buddies over to help out project! Hopefully the labor will just cost me beer and pizza!
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| Yiddil |
Posted on 02/16/08 - 10:50 PM
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sraab928...I just purchased a second steering guts thingie...you know, shaft, abrrel etc...there out there(I wanted a spare) The Cygnet hasside rails since last summer, not sure which one you looked at(Pic) Going to Pull my "Kainer" wheel one day and repaint her, who knows maybe a trip to the chrome people as well for the cap center, but she looks okay so far. I liked the white on white rub rail better than the balck and white..its your flavor though...I did mine single handed but Marlin came over and helped start it with me He had the spare rib gun Then I went and got oen myself But when I was finished, my hands hurt for weeks but did she look nice;0
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Posted on 02/26/08 - 6:06 PM
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sraab, when you think you have sanded enough and it is smooth enough for you, then sand it 2 or 3 more times with the finest grit paper you can get and it will be perfect! Don't forget to use a tack cloth before refinishing.
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 3:31 AM
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How come I knew someone was going to say once you think you've sanded enough... sand some more... lol 
I was amazed at the difference in look and feel when you get all the dust out of the wood. I tried blowing off with compressed air and it really didn't even put a dent in the actual dust in the wood. A tack cloth made a large difference.
I will sand some more today - and hopefully I will be getting closer to done.
Whats the final grit sandpaper I should sand with?
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 7:43 AM
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Scott,
I am doing the samething you are right now, no fun. But the wood really does look good. I guess I have some of the same questions, but maybe you can share some of your experience.
I used a gel stripper to get most of the old varnish off, then followed with 60grit then 180. Just happened to be the only paper I had on hand. I too am wondering at what point do I call it good!?!?! Guess it does not matter as I can't begin apply finish until the temps climb a bit.
What process have you taken (grit etc)?
Good luck and thanks,
Dana
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 02/27/08 - 7:50 AM
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Well I did a couple of pieces with stipper first and found it easier to just sand without using it. For some reason the stripper seems seep into the wood a bit which in turn gums up my sanding pads.
I started using my random orbit sander... 80 grit.... then 150 grit.... Then I switched to hand sanding with 200 grit.... and that is where I am at. It feels nice and smooth to me but I am by no means a wood expert. I work with metal all day not wood so this is a departure for me.
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 8:15 AM
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Thanks. Eeems we have taken about the same route.... I am no wood worker either.
I think I'll try a final sand using a 200 or so like you and see what results. Although I cant apply finish I am ready to start filling predrilling holes and being done with the sanding.
The good thing is I work in the marine field and winters tend to have slow spells. Where I can steel away to the shop during the day and get some done. In fact I guess I am off to get some more done.
Thanks for the help.
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 9:18 AM
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I have that scare on my finger too !
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 10:26 AM
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220 is a good final sand grit, 400 is better. when I was younger I used to work at a marina for a guy that refinished boats. Most of what I did was sand and everything was by hand. Using an orbital took a lot of good wood too, so we had to do it the hard way. Also for what ever it is worth, you should try to only sand with the grain. Last thing i remember, when he was getting ready to begin varnishing, he would wipe the wood with denatured alch. I think he said it would remove any left over moisture that would tend to show up darker in the grain.
I am no expert and just did the grunt work, but I thought I would pass along the litle bit I remember.
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 10:27 AM
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Scott,
Just as you offered to help with my fiberglass work, I'll return the offer with woodwork. I have a lot of experience with it and would be glad to help. Just let me know.
Jeff
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 10:32 AM
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MW - Thanks - now we share the pain!
Fish - Thanks for the tips... I agree I probably took some good wood with the sander but I probably saved countless hours too... I will go back with 400 just to be safe. When I was hand sanding I was going with the grain for sure. I also read the denatured alcohol tip somewhere else so there must be somethin to it!
Jeff - Thanks for the offer... Maybe between the two of us we can get these boats ready for the water in time for that NY trip they are talking about.
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Posted on 02/27/08 - 6:29 PM
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RE; your rub rail install i did one on my 15' whaler any my friend who is a fiberglass repair guy came over to show me how its done, I am glad he did, I basicly helped and followed his orders but the experiance was well worth it. Any way when putting in the insert my friend took the box the rail came in and cut a hole on small side, shook the rub rail down put the tip of a heat gun in and taped it in to place and let it run for about 20 min. get a pair of gloves and a rubber mallet. The insert came out like a wet noodle and went in with ease, needed a couple of taps here and there with the mallet but he made the install look so easy.
Note: Dont forget to run your bow light wire while your there.
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Posted on 02/28/08 - 3:20 AM
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Thats sounds like a good way to warm it up too. I would caution just to be careful with the heat and cardboard. My heat gun is capable of (multiple settings) setting it on fire if on the wrong setting.
Thanks for sharing and congrats on your first post!
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Posted on 02/28/08 - 3:58 AM
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whaler nut wrote:
RE; your rub rail install i did one on my 15' whaler any my friend who is a fiberglass repair guy came over to show me how its done, I am glad he did, I basicly helped and followed his orders but the experiance was well worth it. Any way when putting in the insert my friend took the box the rail came in and cut a hole on small side, shook the rub rail down put the tip of a heat gun in and taped it in to place and let it run for about 20 min. get a pair of gloves and a rubber mallet. The insert came out like a wet noodle and went in with ease, needed a couple of taps here and there with the mallet but he made the install look so easy.
Note: Dont forget to run your bow light wire while your there.
Interesting. My rubrail needs to be installed. It is 4 degrees this morning in Rochester! There is going to have to be some way of getting this thing warmed up in the next few days and this sounds as good as any method. I'm sure my wife would prefer I do this rather than tumbling the rail around in her clothes dryer!
Thanks for the tip and welcome to the forum.
Grady
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Posted on 02/28/08 - 4:10 AM
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Tumbling around the dryer.... boy you guys do come up with them. lol
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Posted on 02/28/08 - 4:55 AM
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Well Scraab,
We might as well pass the time with a laugh. There ain't a whole lot else to do in weather like this!
Have a good day,
Grady
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Posted on 02/28/08 - 5:12 AM
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The dryer comment is pretty funny!!!
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Posted on 02/28/08 - 5:59 AM
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Yeah - 18 degrees out this morning..... Not quite boating weather yet... But its coming!!! 
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