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Mercury introduces brand new lightweight 4-strokes
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| JRP |
Posted on 03/15/15 - 2:28 PM
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I realize this is a stale thread, but I'm curious if anyone has any additional feedback/updates about these new 2.1L Mercury 4-strokes, especially the 90 HP version being used on the latest Montauk 170s?
They sure sound like an improvement over the previous generation of 1.7L engines. They've been out for about a year now, so maybe there is more experience, or even hearsay, to report.
Also, does anybody know if Whaler has updated or will update the performance stats for the Montauk 170 to reflect the new engine? It's not clear to me whether the following Performance Data is with the old engine or the new 2.1L?
http://www.bostonwhaler.com/boat_graphics/electronic_brochure/Company94/_54_9262014100236AM.pdf
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| 12fish74 |
Posted on 03/20/15 - 4:22 PM
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Not sure if my images uploaded to my personal page, But I just put a new 2.1 L mercury 4 stroke 90, with smartcraft gauge & new controls on my 17 Montauk. Don't know about performance on it , since I haven't got to use it yet with it still being cold & snowy here in MD. But I will post back with performance probably in a few weeks. But if anyone would like to discuss my setup & prices paid feel free to contact me.
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| JRP |
Posted on 03/21/15 - 3:49 AM
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12fish,
Wow that looks sharp! Will be interested to hear your reports after using it some.
What did you have on your Montauk 17 previously? Did you consider the Command Thrust version, or possibly even the 115 since it is the same weight?
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| 12fish74 |
Posted on 03/21/15 - 8:11 AM
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My dealer said the command thrust would be used in a heavier boat & didn't recommend it for a 17' Montauk, not that it couldn't be used, its just not needed & I wouldnt see no added benefit in that gearcase. the command thrust adds about another 3-400 bucks in case your wondering. As for my previous motor I had an old 92' Yamaha 90 2 stroke which still ran good. But I figured it was on borrowed time & while it still had decent value to it I sold it & used that money toward a new one. As for the 115hp, yes I did consider it, but for the extra few mph's & another $8-900 bucks, I just didn't think it was feasible.
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| JRP |
Posted on 03/21/15 - 9:06 AM
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Thanks for the great info/insight. Your reasoning on the standard 90 v. CT or 115 makes good sense.
Would you be willing to share a ballpark figure for the re-power? I ask because I'm actively looking for a Montauk 170 but would also consider a 17, so a good boat needing re-power might be an option in the future.
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| 12fish74 |
Posted on 03/21/15 - 1:23 PM
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Roughly 9k, with new controls & smartcraft SC-1000 installed.
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 03/22/15 - 3:47 PM
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JRP - Here's a place in TN that sells Mercs reasonably priced, and ships out of state with no sales tax.
They show the 90 4-stroke as $7225. I have no affiliation whatsoever, other than having been a customer.
http://www.jacosmarine.com/mercuryeng.../index.cfm
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| JRP |
Posted on 03/22/15 - 5:08 PM
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Thanks for that link, Finnegan.
Any feedback about these new 2.1L engines now that they've been out for a year or so?
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| 12fish74 |
Posted on 05/03/15 - 3:42 PM
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Ok, so here it goes. I just finally got to test the 2.1 l mercury 90 on my 1992 17' Montauk & what a world of difference. I Wasnt really paying attention too much the mph in all the midrange rpm's. Let me start off by saying the top speed on my old Yamaha 90 2 stroke was about 36 mph & with a light load about 37-38mph. The new motor topped out at 46.2 mph at 5350 rpms on my gps with me , the wife & about 10 gal of fuel .At that speed it starts to chine walk side to side pretty bad to the point of scary. The motor should push a few more rpms than 5350, but that's all I could get out of it. Also at midrange its very smooth in all the rpms but in the high 20's to low 30's it tends to porpoise quite a bit till you get the trim set just right. then its smooth sailing. My dealer said I would probably need a motor height adjustment, and a prop change to dial it in & get the rpms. Not really sure I want or need the x-tra rpms. The hole shot was also quite superior to the old 2 stroke. Im not sure what the hp difference is between the old Yamaha 90 & the Merc 90, but to gain 8-9mph top end on the new motor im guessing its more than 90 hp to the prop! So, with the right prop & motor height adjusting, & right amount of trim im sure 48-50 mph is not out of the question. Needless to say you will not be catching me going that fast very often in my 17' whaler. Just no need for it really...but the power is there! If anybody has any questions feel free to ask.
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| JRP |
Posted on 05/03/15 - 5:32 PM
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Thanks 12fish!
As you get more experience/hours on the engine, please keep the reports coming. Comparisons of fuel burn would also be interesting to know.
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 06/03/15 - 2:47 PM
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That is very interesting information to see the power of the new Mercury 2.1 liter 90 HP EFI 4-stroke. Forty six MPH is in the speed realm of most 115's on a Montauk. The much smaller cube E-tec 90, often a popular repower choice for Montauks, only runs around 40 MPH on the boat, and only weighs 39 lb less. So it's clearly a strong engine and worthy of consideration. It could very well be the most powerful 90 on the market today, and the pricing seems highly competitive.
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Posted on 06/04/15 - 9:15 AM
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I had convinced myself to repower my 1961 Nauset with the new 90hp Mercury. I was really impressed with the larger displacement and the torque band inherit from the additional size. But when I contacted the local Whaler dealer, MarineMax, they didn't seem very interested in putting much effort into finding a motor for me. They didn't have one in stock at any of their chain of stores and they said that the Mercury warehouse didn't have one either. So sorry, move along.
So I contacted a large dealer north of Houston who mainly sold ski boats. They had a 90hp but were outrageous (no pun intended) in what they wanted for installation and accessories, pushing the final price w/o TTL to nearly $12K!
I contacted another independent dealer and he said he could order one, he recommended going with the command thrust, could get it in three or four days and three or four days for installation, but a much better price than the ski boat store.
My Whaler was going to be in the local Keels and Wheels concours show in two weeks. I thought that if anything went wrong with the ordering process or installation problems, my Whaler wouldn't be ready for Keels and Wheels.
So long story short, I called a local Evinrude dealer who has been in business for 60 years. He had a 90hp E-TEC in stock and had it on my Whaler in three days. We're still fine tuning the appropriate prop, but I am hitting about 40 mph WOT, but turning 6100 RPM. I need to be at 5400 for the E-TEC so still trying different props.
All that to say, Mercury lost one potential customer on a flashy old Nauset, that people really take notice of. It could have been really good exposure for them, but it didn't seem to matter.
But the Evinrude guys sure were proud of hanging their motor on a classic, cut me a special deal and everything.
Today I love the look of that white engine and the sound of a two stroke.
Screw Mercury.
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Posted on 06/04/15 - 12:29 PM
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Spuds - I agree that a modern 2015 Mercury 4-stroke would not look good on your beautiful, classic boat show quality, 1961 Whaler Nauset. That is a mighty fine boat you own, and 1961 was the introductory year of the center console and the nauset model. Very nice.
If I had your boat, it would have one of these 275lb 1962 in-line 6 Merc 1000's on it (about 90 HP at the prop)! They cost about $7K, completely re-manufactured, from this guy, as shown.
http://classicmercuryoutboards.com/homes.com/home
Many people, particularly those at these classic shows, like to see the classic outboards on these old Boston Whalers.
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Posted on 10/16/15 - 5:10 AM
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12fish74, that motor looks great on your boat! I just picked up a 2003 170 and am looking to put that same motor on. I have a few questions if you don't mind. Are the controls drive by wire or are they cables? Did you have it installed or did you rig it yourself. If you did rig it, was it very hard? Also, locally here in Massachusetts I just got a price rigged for : With MA 6.25% tax, and factoring in labor at 1725, we come to a total of $14,294.38!!! I was also looking at Bass Pro shops as they were much cheaper. Question is would you pay for rigging or rig it yourself? I am amazed at the pricing from that dealer Jaco's Marine and are they really selling a new 2015 Mercury 90 for $7500?
Sorry for so many questions, but 14K-1.7K in labor means the motor and controls are 12,569 or almost 5K!!!! More from the dealer I went to!!
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Posted on 10/16/15 - 5:47 AM
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270whaler1212 wrote:
12fish74, that motor looks great on your boat! I just picked up a 2003 170 and am looking to put that same motor on. I have a few questions if you don't mind. Are the controls drive by wire or are they cables? Did you have it installed or did you rig it yourself. If you did rig it, was it very hard? Also, locally here in Massachusetts I just got a price rigged for : With MA 6.25% tax, and factoring in labor at 1725, we come to a total of $14,294.38!!! I was also looking at Bass Pro shops as they were much cheaper. Question is would you pay for rigging or rig it yourself? I am amazed at the pricing from that dealer Jaco's Marine and are they really selling a new 2015 Mercury 90 for $7500?
Sorry for so many questions, but 14K-1.7K in labor means the motor and controls are 12,569 or almost 5K!!!! More from the dealer I went to!!
The Jaco's price is correct and Ed's Marine Superstore in Richmond VA advertises similar pricing. That seems to be about the going rate for these engines. I have recieved quotes locally to install the Merc 115 CT on my Outrage for about $10K all in (engine, rigging, installation.) So that price you are being quoted is ridiculous. I would expect a 150 for that price.
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Posted on 10/16/15 - 5:59 AM
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JRP wrote:
270whaler1212 wrote:
12fish74, that motor looks great on your boat! I just picked up a 2003 170 and am looking to put that same motor on. I have a few questions if you don't mind. Are the controls drive by wire or are they cables? Did you have it installed or did you rig it yourself. If you did rig it, was it very hard? Also, locally here in Massachusetts I just got a price rigged for : With MA 6.25% tax, and factoring in labor at 1725, we come to a total of $14,294.38!!! I was also looking at Bass Pro shops as they were much cheaper. Question is would you pay for rigging or rig it yourself? I am amazed at the pricing from that dealer Jaco's Marine and are they really selling a new 2015 Mercury 90 for $7500?
Sorry for so many questions, but 14K-1.7K in labor means the motor and controls are 12,569 or almost 5K!!!! More from the dealer I went to!!
The Jaco's price is correct and Ed's Marine Superstore in Richmond VA advertises similar pricing. That seems to be about the going rate for these engines. I have recieved quotes locally to install the Merc 115 CT on my Outrage for about $10K all in (engine, rigging, installation.) So that price you are being quoted is ridiculous. I would expect a 150 for that price.
Thank you for the feedback. I knew it was high, but I didn't know it was that high. I will keep looking or just wait for the boat show here in February and get an extended warranty. I still can't believe a $4294 premium from the 10K you have been quoted.
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Posted on 10/16/15 - 7:11 AM
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Just as an FYI the Dealer in VA will not ship the motor, and they state they would have to install it in VA. That would cost me a lot more....:(
I am going to keep looking locally, and try to find just a reasonable price on the motor. I would like to know if the throttle is drive by wire as that would take away a huge issue in the re-wrigging. I would also like to know if I can use my 2003 Mercury Steering or if I have to replace that as well. Maybe that is why I am seeing 11-14K pricing for a 90HP.
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| 12fish74 |
Posted on 10/18/15 - 8:56 PM
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270 whaler, they are cables as far as I know, its not the digital if that's what you are implying. I didn't do any of the rigging myself. And that price you were quoted seems way high! Total price out the door was $9300, that included prop, smartcraft gauge, fluids, and they even moved my battery to the center console, & new steering cable, im almost positive you can use your old one, but someone else can chime in if im wrong. The only reason I got rid of the old steering cable is because the guy that bought my old motor wanted it. Chesapeake Whalertowne here in Md did all the work & the service there is top notch. Im not sure if they ship motors either but you could call then and ask. Good luck!!
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Posted on 10/19/15 - 9:24 AM
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Thank you for the information. I am still calling around and getting prices of 11K with prop. If anyone knows a place that is reasonable in the Massachusetts area that will do this for $9,300 let me know as I will go there immediately. I will not be rigging it myself as I found out that Mercury will not warranty the motor if it is not installed by a dealer.
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Posted on 10/19/15 - 9:41 AM
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I like Green's Marine in Hooksett, NH but they are probably too far for you.
Mercury does have incentives until October 31 so you might be able to get close to $9300.
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