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| whalerlessny |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 1:12 PM
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Hello all. My name is Anthony. I'm new to your site. Right now I own a 14 foot alum Grumman and I am in the market for something a little bigger and definitely more seaworthy. I came across a 21' 1972 outrage for $4800 without power but with a trailer.
I haven't seen the boat in person yet but the seller clams the deck and transom are solid. From the one picture that they posted the boat seems to be in fair condition, maybe a really good waxing and some bottom paint.
My question for everyone is about the price. I know that Whalers fetch a good dollar brand new and hold their value for many years but, and there is always a but, does $4800 seem a little high or is it just me?
Any information regarding pricing and new power suggestions, fuel burn or anything else to look out for would help.
I think the year might be wrong because it looks like it has the smooth sides and from reading some other posts that went away in 1973.
Thanks for your help.
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 1:28 PM
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On a same relative condition basis, Smoothside 21's are generally not as valuable as the earlier 71-72 ribside models.
The smoothside you are considering is probably a 1973 MODEL year, which were manufactured form Aug 1, 1972 through July 30, 1973.
Model year and manufacturing date often get confused, particularly on older boats, because of the Aug 1 changeover dates usually used by the boat companies.
I think the first smoothside 21 was hull #715 (a prototype) in the 21' series, but they didn't really get started until #723.
Hulls #001-#722 were all ribsides.
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| Jeff |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 1:47 PM
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It is not this one that has been listed up and down the Mid Atlantic area Craigslists is it (below)? I only ask as the price and no power seemed to fit. The boat below has been listed for some 18 -24 months now and I think someone here has looked at in person.
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| scrimshaw |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 2:08 PM
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Jeff , the boat you pictured is wet , a friend saw this vessel in person and questioned the yard of the puddle present underneath (salty to the taste !)! Super Console upgrade ? http://capecod.craigslist.org/boa/997...93696.html
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| whalerlessny |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 2:17 PM
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hey guys... thanks for the quick replys.. i actually just got off the phone with the owner. he related that the boat was bought in DE andd that he took it back to LI. the original owner set the console back about two feet. it is a T shaped console according to the owner. he said it was an option so unless someone knows otherwise i'm going to take him on his word.( seemed genuine ) i figured it had to be something with the manufacturing date because its a 72 but no ribbed side. i am going to take a look at the boat this weekend if everything works out and i'll report back to the board.... once again though, does the price seem in the ballpark or a little high. oh yea, the owner said he rates the boat a 81/2 out of 10 on its condition.
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| scrimshaw |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 2:37 PM
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Original 'T shaped console" This was a factory option . but I've never seen one on a smooth sided boat.
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| whalerlessny |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 2:42 PM
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yup, thats what it looks like from the picture....
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 2:46 PM
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That's the ribside Outrage III console, designed for the workboat version of the hull. This same console was also used in the 16' Cohasset. I am also not aware of it being installed in any Smoothside models, but I suppose it could have been on special order. Whaler did a lot of things like that back then and were very flexible and accomodating to work with.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 2:47 PM
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We have photos of standard consoles in our article section.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=58
That type of console was used on the Cohasset series.
I don't believe they were ever standard on any Outrage series but I could be wrong.
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| Jeff |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 3:21 PM
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There is a tired 21 Ribsided Outrage I always pass in a canal on my way out to Lake St Clair. It has the Cohasset console however it only has a single center mounted pilot seat like the one shown in the Cohassett advertisement. The boat looks very weird with the console and seat set up like that.
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| scrimshaw |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 3:58 PM
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So , what' s it worth ? Can't tell you ! I know what I've got tied up in mine but thats nothing when you look back on the memories ! Just what Dick intended !
Here's some info on the Outrage III
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| WhalerDan |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 4:30 PM
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I saw photos of the boat in question on-line. The console has been moved back. And the guy has an old 150 Merc he wants another $1,600 for. In the photo the trailer looks okay. Thing to consider about this purchase, is that you could easily easily easily sink another 10K into her without batting an eye. Now you have a 15K boat, and for 15K you can get a headache free newer boat ready to go. Heck, buy my 1990 Montauk for less and own perfection.
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| whalerlessny |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 4:55 PM
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thanks whalerdan. the cost of work is def something i've considered. i've looked at a ton of boats that people just let go and i never understand it. and on top of that they always want big bucks.. but when i see this one in person i'll try and go over it with a fine tooh comb. i know there are areas i wont be able to inspect(under the deck) but hopefully there wont be too many surprises( fingers crossed) as for the engine he's offering, i'd rather off spend 5k (finance) on a brand new one than 1600 on one thats going to go bye bye my first time out.
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| gigem |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 7:59 PM
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whalerlessny wrote: as for the engine he's offering, i'd rather off spend 5k (finance) on a brand new one
What motor are you buying for $5000 that will push an Outrage 21?
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 8:41 PM
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I think that there is no getting away from the fact that it is a 1972 unit..
And since our math is still accurate some 37 years old..
For personal and sentimental reasons,I truly do enjoy putting all the countless hours at refitting such classy hulls.
But the fact remains..Hundred not to say thousands of hours in labor involved with the work detail here.
And if not, an optional roster of contractors that will be more than happy to help out for a fee.
Dan is accurate with his math,and it should be remembered.
Jim has also vouched in the fact that his Scrimshaw unit has been very well used and enjoyed but at the cost of a sizable refit investment.
So if you are a handy Shipwright and have plenty of time to enjoy such an emotional elevator for Highs and Lows..
The aging and available models can be found and paid for.
Bur for immediate use for the same money and a newer model;
I would logically advise in contacting Whaler Dan for a very good buy for the value presented.
An interesting subject to be mulling over,I am sure.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 02/03/09 - 8:59 PM
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Quote from whalerlessny:
i figured it had to be something with the manufacturing date because its a 72 but no ribbed side.
As Finnegan mentions above, the boat is most like a 1973 model.
Just like automobiles, they start selling the following year models a few months before the end of the year.
Example: I purchased a brand new 1994 Jeep in October of 1993. It is not a 1993 model.
So, this Whaler cannot be a 1972 as it does not have ribbed sides. It must be 1973 or later.
It could be that is was built in 1972 but still a 1973 model or newer. (unless prototype).
Only numbers can tell us what it might be.
If you give can give us any numbers off the boat that may help although it may or may not have a metal HIN tag, there should be a stencil number somewhere.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=61
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| sraab928 |
Posted on 02/04/09 - 3:58 AM
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I have seen this boat advertised - The picture is not clear - but I do believe it is a ribside - Unless an expert disagrees - the boat seems faded and you can see what appears to be the rib lines -
Out of respect to the buyer I have copied the picture to my photobucket - its not as large as the ad picture but I didn't want to post a link to the ad.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47...002729.jpg
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| whalerlessny |
Posted on 02/04/09 - 5:24 AM
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hey gigim, your right... i have too many numbers floating around in my head.... double that and then add a little more.... my mistake...
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 02/04/09 - 11:47 AM
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This PHOTOGRAPH that Scott has linked to above, shows a rib sided Outrage III from 1971 or 1972 with its original console in its original position.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 02/04/09 - 1:38 PM
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OK, I found what I thought I had seen before but wasn't positive.
On page 10 of the 1972 catalog, they show the "fiberglass console" used on the Outrage III models.
Below is a photo of the console that was also used on the Cohasset models.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=58
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