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Is there such thing as a 1980's Montauk 170 ?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 03/29/12 - 7:28 PM
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I see far too many people trying to list their Montauks as a 170 model in their boat listing...
The Montauk 170 did not start until 2002....
Therefore, there is no such thing as a Montauk 170 prior to 2002.... It is a Montauk 17'
Also, there is no such thing as a 2005 Montauk 17'.... It is a Montauk 170.........
Here's a clue for some of you.
What does the decal on the side of the boat say?
Montauk 17'................. Then that's what it is............. (unless someone has changed it of course)
It is not a 170 model which is much newer and a completely different hull design......
2002 and later the decal on the side of the boat says Montauk 170........ That's what this model is........
The same goes for a Sport 150.......... or Sport 130, etc..............
There is no such thing as a 1980's Sport 150..........
The Sport 150 wasn't made until 2002....... Everything before that was called a Sport 15' in the catalogs........
See this FAQ:
http://www.whalercentral.com/faq.php?...p?cat_id=5
I am overwhelmed just trying to keep up with these corrections in model names.
Hopefully this post will help but apparently people just aren't reading the "Frequently Asked Questions"......... on "What Model do I have?"....
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 03/29/12 - 10:25 PM
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Actually there is no such thing as a Montauk 17'.
It's either a 17' Montauk or a Montauk 17, or, perhaps, Montauk, 17'. This is assuming the Montauk is a 17 footer. All bets are off if it is a Montauk 18.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 03/29/12 - 10:40 PM
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Tom, yes there is....
I certainly don't know where you come up with this....????
Or why you are trying to confuse or complicate this post....
The side of the boat says Montauk 17' with the decals from Boston Whaler.
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/at...decals.jpg
Very much just like the Outrage 18' decals on the side of the Outrage 18'....
http://www.whalercentral.com/photogal...hoto_id=52
The Montauk 17' is on the sides of the boat with the name up until 2002....
Then the name, and the hull, changed on the side of the boat to Montauk 170 in 2002.
Here is a photo of the Montauk 170 on the side of the hull.
http://www.whalercentral.com/images/p...auk170.jpg
So, I will say this again....
Montauk 17' is on the side of the boat.
The catalog list them as 17' Montauk
Montauk 170 is on the side of the 2002 and later models with the new hull design.
The catalog list them as 170 Montauk
Backwards or forward, it doesn't matter.... That is how Boston Whaler lists these models and most all of the rest....
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 1980's Montauk 170 or 170 Montauk...........
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| spuds |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 4:54 AM
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Likewise, occasionally I'll see folks refer to it as a Nauset 17. Fail.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 6:46 AM
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Anybody want to chip in and help me buy Joe a sense of humor for Christmas?
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| Gamalot |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 2:34 PM
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Tom W Clark wrote:
Anybody want to chip in and help me buy Joe a sense of humor for Christmas?
I kind of like it when you guys butt heads, we all end up learning something.
I know all about this confusion. I have a 1974 Smirkless Montauk 17 that is actually 16' 7" and I think the same hull as a Nausett 16. I'll be happy to call it anything you want me to.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 3:07 PM
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Gamalot,
It's not about what we want to call it....
It's about how they are listed in Boston Whalers documentation and how they named the different models through the years...
I think I am fighting a losing battle here...
People keep signing up calling their older Classic hulls with the 3 digit name...
1980 Montauk 170
They don't even seem to be reading this current thread let alone the Frequently Asked Questions...
1980 Montauk 170 = NO SUCH MODEL
1995 Dauntless 180 = NO SUCH MODEL
1985 Sport 150 = NO SUCH MODEL
I am spending far too much time correcting the members Boat Info page...
I may have to consider just turning it off and removing that information.
It does absolutely no good to look at someone's boat info to try and see what model they have if they don't put the correct information in....
Better to have no information then the incorrect information in my opinion....
I don't blame anyone, especially members that are new. We were all new once...
I don't think anyone would call their Camaro a Corvette....... or visa versa.....
Now I can't wait for Xmas.... Hope there is a sense of humor under the tree...... 
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| Gamalot |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 5:27 PM
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I understand completely what you are trying to do Joe. I have also been waiting for 60 years to find that humor under my tree. Most would say I got it but it needs watering!
With so many different models and all the changes throughout the many years I think it is near impossible to get everyone up to speed on their exact boat and it's designation.
You and Tom and a number of other knowledgeable members here get a big "Thumbs Up" for the service and info provided here. It sure would be great if every member did a little research and correctly identified the particular hull they have. That's not likely to happen but I also think there are enough active members to point out these differences and set the new members straight. As you said and I totally agree, it is better to ask and not mistakenly name your particular hull than it is to incorrectly name it what it is not.
All the info that we are sure of is here and in the search function but most new members don't yet know how to navigate through these waters.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 5:57 PM
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Gary,
Joe is one of my very oldest Whaler Buddies. I pride myself on being more nit-picky than Joe but he gives me a run for the money sometimes.
So I am shocked that he let you slide with two egregious and outrageous errors:
- There is no such thing as a 1974 Montauk 17.
- Nauset is spelled with one T not two.
I still say Montauk 17' is very poor grammar and I am equally sure the comma merely washed off the hull.
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| cntsnk |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 6:11 PM
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hey guys I own a 1973 16'7'' boston whaler. I believe it was called a 16 ' whaler. cntsnk.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 6:26 PM
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No comma, no coma, no periods....
I have purchased the Montauk 17' decals before from Janis and everyone I have seen did not have a comma...
Even the Outrage 18' never had a comma...
I am nit-picky on some items but am flexible for some other things...
Here is where I deviate on this site....
1973 to 2002 Classic Montauk hulls = Montauk 17' or 17' Montauk
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=14
Same way with the Newport.
1975 to 1990 Newport = Newport 17'
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=23
Same as Sakonnet
1963 to 1976 Sakonnet = Sakonnet 16
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=26
Montauk 170 with Accutrack hull
2002 to present = Montauk 170 or 170 Montauk
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...lbum_id=34
Etc., Etc., Etc...........
Here are the basic groups we use on this site.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...rowstart=0
Yes Tom, I know.... but that is how I am groping them here.
There are some variations on the above I know, but I remain steadfast on my groupings....
I am letting a few technical items slide by to make it easier for me and the majority of members. Only the die hards and nit-pickers will know, but they will still be grouped into the groups I created here.
Anyone can call their boat whatever they want off this site.
However, if they try to list it here as something it isn't, I reserve the right to correct that information.
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| Gamalot |
Posted on 03/30/12 - 8:35 PM
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Tom W Clark wrote:
Gary,
Joe is one of my very oldest Whaler Buddies. I pride myself on being more nit-picky than Joe but he gives me a run for the money sometimes.
So I am shocked that he let you slide with two egregious and outrageous errors:
- There is no such thing as a 1974 Montauk 17.
- Nauset is spelled with one T not two.
I still say Montauk 17' is very poor grammar and I am equally sure the comma merely washed off the hull.
Don't try to blame any of this on me. I think Joe lets me slide every now and again but I blame most of this on my spell checker. Montauk always comes up as wrong and so does Nauset and Nausett. I blame that on Maine and the Bah Haba crowd! As for the Montauk 17 designation I can blame that on Chuck Bennett and have his email from when I first got the boat to prove it. I don't think there is any place here for an old, salty sailor with a thin skin anyway! I never have seen a catalog from 1974 showing the first generation of the Montauk model so I honestly don't know what they called it. My decal is 14 inches and only ever had the sled and Boston Whaler with no R and no Montauk name or number at all.
It might be easier for us all if we were to classify the variations of same models such as the Montauk as Generation 1 being 1973-mid 1976 - Smirkless, late 1976 (Smirked hulls) - when ever as Generation 2 and so on. Some model years tell the whole story while other years don't.
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| darrenmolder |
Posted on 03/31/12 - 7:15 AM
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Sorry Joe, I'm just catching up on this article (finally got a day off) but you are incorrect so I thought I'd help stir the pot! It's not a comma- It's an apostraphe which is the superscript sign (') used to indicate the ommision of 1 or more letters from a word. If your going to be a critic you need to practice what you preach! Thanks, Darren
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 03/31/12 - 7:23 AM
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Not sure I follow you...
Apostrophe?
No one mentioned an apostrophe.
And all this time I thought it was the foot symbol...
17 feet = 17'
or inches is the double tick = 17"
Comma = ,
Coma = someone in a deep sleep
period = .
I can assure you that the foot symbol ('), is not an ommision of a letter. Even though it may also be used as an apostrophe for other formal writing....
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 03/31/12 - 7:31 AM
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Oh that Chuck Bennett. What does he know anyway? Everybody knows the Montauk in 1974 was the Montauk 16. I also find Chuck misspelling words in emails to me. Maybe he's just a poor typist but I don't know...
Trivia question of the day: We all know there is no such thing as a Nauset 17, so how can I (quite accurately) say there was a Sakonnet 17? It's the exact same hull right? Joe knows this, but let's hear from somebody else.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 03/31/12 - 7:40 AM
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Oh darn, I can't play and I love trivia....
Maybe we should add this to the Trivia Questions?
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion.../index.php
It's flat out pouring rain today so guess where I will be....
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| Gamalot |
Posted on 03/31/12 - 9:28 AM
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OK, I'll try to play. When the first Montauks were introduced in 1973 I think BW called them just Montauks. They are 16' 7" hulls but some how the 17 came in to play. Some other models built on the exact same hull were still designated as 16s but the Montauks were called 17s. It could be the Montauk bow rail protrudes a bit forward of the front edge of the boat but that is just a guess.
As to the Sakonnet I am going to say that BW called it a 17 in the catalogs so that is what we call it. I do agree it is the same basic hull as the others that remain being called 16s and also the same hull as my Montauk 16' 7". The interior design and furniture decides the Model on all of these hulls as far as I can tell.
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| Tom W Clark |
Posted on 03/31/12 - 9:51 AM
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Nope.
Anybody else?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 04/01/12 - 3:20 PM
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Only one person wanted to learn trivia from Tom W Clark...?
Good for you Gamalot for taking the challenge..
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| Gamalot |
Posted on 04/01/12 - 3:57 PM
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Joe Kriz wrote:
Only one person wanted to learn trivia from Tom W Clark...?
Good for you Gamalot for taking the challenge..
I'm waiting for some answers so I don't get "Nopped" again! I did the trivia on our site and did pretty poorly there too so I guess I'm not as sharp as I thought I was.
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