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Finally pulled the trigger on repowering my Montauk 17
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 8:37 AM
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After mulling this over for quite a long time I have decided to repower my 1991 Montauk 17 with a new ETEC 90hp. It was an easy decision for my to choose the ETEC, it seems to be the best fit for this boat. I have chosen a local marina that has been very attentive to all my questions and demands on how I want the engine rigged. I am going with the new ICON gauges in white. a 3.5 inch tach and 3.5 speedometer and probably a 2 inch trim gauge. They are also going to network my garmin 541S to the engine so I can display engine info on my GPS as well. I have already secured a new dash panel from twin cities which should make for a nice clean install.
I am going with the VIPER 13 7/8 x 17 Stainles prop as per Toms recommendation.
The motor will be mounted 3 holes up as per others reccommendations.
Im sure there will be many more details to go through.
They are ordering the engine and rigging kit today, I am bringing them the boat this week so they can remove the old engine and rigging. If all goes smooth it should be ready in a couple of weeks.
Cant Wait!!!
I will be taking many pictures of the process and wil do my best to post them here. As well as performance results.
Wow.... I feel like a kid at christmas!!
Thanks to whaler central for all the great info I have compiled for this project!!
Ed
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 9:45 AM
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Nice Ed! Exactly the motor I would have chosen on a Montauk! When I repowered my 15, I went with a separate tach, despite the fact that I could display then engine data on my GPS - it's just nice to have the direct-read guages in front of you. Are you able to program the ICON gauge to take the speed from the GPS rather than the motor pitot? In my experience, it's much more accurate.
Looking forward to seeing pics.
Tim
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 10:00 AM
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Ed,
don't want to totally rain on your parade but I could never get engine data to show on my Garmin 541 and I could never reliably get it to send correct SOG info to the I-Command gauges i have. I finally gave up, and purchased the GPS accessory from lowrance. There is something about the NMEA 2000 implementation by Garmin that didn't play well with the Lowrance gauges.
I was under the impression that ICON was the new throttle/shift system and not gauges, that the gauges are still I-Command? Also, ICON is only available on V6, not the V4 and inline engines.
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 10:11 AM
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Here is the link to the ICON guages
http://community.evinrude.com/t5/Perf.../ba-p/2968
more info
http://www.etecownersgroup.com/post/N...es-5553683
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 11:19 AM
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nice, they look pretty sweet.
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 1:06 PM
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Thanks I will see how the gps setup goes, they have a specialist that will be setting it up and I have an email in to Garmin to see what they say about compatibility.
Its not the end of the world if that doesnt work out.... The gauges alone should be great.
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 1:32 PM
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Garmin told me they would be compatible and I could see the Lat / Long on the gauge but when i went to display SOG it would never show, it would only show as SOW and then it would keep cutting out a lot. My GPS would see the NMEA network and it would even show the Evinrude outboard and all the gauges but I could never see things like RPM or engine info. For me the gauges were enough since I have the I-Command digital gauges as well as the fuel memory module and water pressure sensor. The only thing I was missing was the GPS to calculate fuel usage over time and it just became as easy to add the GPS receiver. That decision was made easier when you consider i could remove the Navman 3100 and fill the resulting hole in the console.
Now I wish that that I could replace my control with the new ICON controls, so i could adjust RPM's for trolling.
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 2:15 PM
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Hi Ed - I've been looking into doing the same repower on my 1984 Montauk. I'm curious what price you were able to negotiate?
I'm in Southern California and have been surprised by two things: 1. limited number of dealers. The closest is 40 miles away and there a couple others in the 75 miles range. 2. the quoted prices I've been getting seem fairly high, with the best being - $8,700 + sales tax + $600 for labor, rigging included with promo from Evinrude.
We're you able to do better?
Thanks
Mike
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 5:26 PM
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You will love that ETEC and you will brag about it to others.....very wise decision
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 6:44 PM
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Ed:
I'm in the trows of the re-power decision myself for my 82 Montauk. I too have my sights on the E-tec 90hp. From everything I've learned, it is the best choice to make.
The price quotes I've gotten are all around the $8,700 to $8,800 range. Under the promotion going on now, the rigging and 5 year warranty are included. I'm getting $800 to $1000 as a labor figure for the installation.
I've been told there are a couple of extra items.... new fuel line (its been changed to a larger diameter hose... one that isn't going to be bothered by the ethanol additive). I've also been advised to get a new gas tank(s).
Hoping to get my $$ together & pull the trigger.... soon.
Mke
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Posted on 03/05/12 - 9:16 PM
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Humm,
FYI, a more efficient engine does not need a larger fuel line.
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 5:43 AM
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thanks for the comments. I didnt even have a close second choice when seciding on a motor, and I have many dealers in my area. The boat had an Evinrude on it from the factory and I am happy to be putting it back on especially with the new technology. I paid 8100 for the motor, they gave me $550 for my engine on trade. The rigging and guages, SST prop and extended warrantee were included in rigging promotion. The labor is $1000, which is a bit high... I guess its a give and take. I feel good about the deal, and confident with the dealer. I would imagine I could have beat more money out of the deal. but at the end of the day I am comfortable.
Actually the whole thing started with an email from Evinrude presenting the promotion and asking if I wanted to be contacted by local dealers. I filled in my info and what I wanted and 4 dealers got back to me. 2 of the dealers were very detailed in there proposal, and the other 2 had no idea what they were talking about, and didnt give me the corrrect info about the promotion, one even told me the only motor that would fit on my boat was a 25 inch shaft.
The local place I went with sent me pictures of other boats they have rigged a 90 Etec on, and gave me very detailed info on the installation with plenty of suggestions. Most of the negotiations went on through email. Interesting process. I hope this info helps
Ed
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 5:48 AM
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Kamie
Thanks for the useful info. My dealer did offer the memory module, and I wasnt sure what I needed it for. Can you elaborate? As far as the gps reciever, was that as simple at adding a gps antenna to the network? Is that needed for fuel economy if the garmin doesnt work out? I dont think I care about having lat and long on my gauge, if thats the only benifit.
Thanks again
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 7:32 AM
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The memory module allows you to store fuel info and to maintain trip information, such has fuel burn. It was as easy as adding a small GPS antenna to the network. I mention Lat/Long only because that is how I know Garmin was putting the location info on the network. I will see if i can dig up photo's to send you or I can take and post new ones next week when i'm down at the boat.
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 8:50 AM
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Karlow wrote:
Humm,
FYI, a more efficient engine does not need a larger fuel line.
Evinrude specifies 3/8-inch fuel hose for the 90 E-TEC. I suspect the older engine was installed with 5/16 hose.
John Kittredge
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Posted on 03/06/12 - 10:10 AM
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The fuel line I have now is only 2 years old... if it needs to be upgraded they said its included, they are also adding a fuel filter seperator.
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Posted on 03/13/12 - 10:27 AM
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I have updated my personal page with some old pictures from when I purchased my boat up to before the motor was installed. Check them out. It was fun to refresh my memory of what it looked like.
Ed
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Posted on 03/23/12 - 8:48 AM
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Santa Clause has come.
The new Engine was a bit delayed in shipping, but was hung on the boat today. Amazing how fast the process goes after they get rolling.
Evinrude has sold so many engines with the new promotion that they now have some rigging components backordered. Namely the white Icon Tach and speedo.I will have to wait a bit longer for those. I guess we are going to see alot of new Etecs on the water this summer. I caught a glimpse of the price at the gas dock....GULP.... $5.05/gal for 89.... yeashhhhh
Ed
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| Jon Besemer |
Posted on 03/23/12 - 12:02 PM
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Ed,
I'm in the process of repowering my 16SL with a 90hp E-Tec also. In fact, it is at the shop now and on the schedule for next week.
My story is very similar to yours, as it all started with filling out the request for quote on the web site. Two of the 4 dealers that responded really didn't have a clue but the other two were fantastic to work with. One of the "good" dealers had a 2010 model they wanted to move and they gave me a price I couldn't refuse. Called the factory and was told the only major difference between the 2012 and the 2010 models is the oil tank & cap.
Never was really happy with the original 1993 90hp Merc. Ran great at high speeds but never could get it to idle properly and it smoked like a chimney. Always was secretly hoping it would die, so I could get a new motor. Actually stopped using the boat as much as I first did because of the old motor (sad but true). Really looking forward to the new E-Tec!!!
I also plan on posting the new pictures and performance data after I get the boat back and on the water.
My thanks to everyone also. I think the dealer was impressed with all the little things I learned from this web site and asked about.
Jon B.
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| egerrity |
Posted on 03/25/12 - 11:52 AM
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Thanks for the feedback Jon.... I'll be posting the pictures of progress this week. The we engine looks really great.. Makes boat look shabby... Time for a ton of compound and wax....
Ed
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