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| stanlimm |
Posted on 07/07/07 - 12:41 PM
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I have a 1988 22' Outrage with full bow rail. I boat on Great South Bay Long Island. Since my wife and I are in our late sixties, we find it difilcult getting off the boat via the bow because of the height of the bow rail. Has anyone found a way to cut back the bow rail with out affecting the stability of said rail?
Going off the stern is impossible because of the O/B and the back seat. Twin batteries to starboard and oil tank to port.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Stanlimm
limm stands for Long Island Maritime Museum West Sayville NY
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 07/07/07 - 1:49 PM
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Stan,
I assume you have the one piece welded bow rail... Correct?
If so, please don't cut it to pieces.... Sell it to someone who needs it and then have a custom one made for your boat using the same mounting holes as much as possible..
If you have the pieced together railing and fittings, you should be able just to take a section out and see if that works for you.
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| stanlimm |
Posted on 07/07/07 - 7:56 PM
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Joe:
It is the one piece rail which presents a problem, if someone wanted to buy it, unless they were local, how would it get shipped? And then comes the cost of fabricating a custom rail. I saw a Pursuit W/A the other day that has an anchor pulpit and it appears to have a section that does swing out of the way.
Still looking for answers.
Thank you
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| DelawareDan |
Posted on 07/07/07 - 8:13 PM
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I would think most people would prefer the welded rail, so it might be possible to trade it out for one with fittings. However, I don't know enough about the various models. Are there rails with fittings perhaps on earlier models that would fit stanlimm's Outrage? There are a heck of a lot of whalers on L.I., and across the Sound in RI, Conn., Mass.
You've probably already thought of this and ruled it out, but what about a docking situation where there are finger piers? That way you could board from the side, perhaps with steps of some sort.
If you do decide to cut the railing, it would be a simple matter for a fabrication shop to fashion you a stainless hinge and a welded extension with a U-shape to fit over the rail at the "latch" end, or some other method.
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| stanlimm |
Posted on 07/07/07 - 8:27 PM
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Dan:
Thank you for the reply. Perhaps one of the tri-state members would be interested. Have no problem where there is a finger or chance to side dock. Even 4'11" wife can still get on and off when side docked as long as my shoulder is available.
Have thought of the posibility of the steel dowl on one side and the u-shaped device on the other side. Really surprised that with the number of boats out there with outboards that someone has not patented said device. There are still a number of backyard mom & pop marinas on LI where you take your life in hand everytime you get off a boat with outboards either from the bow or the stern.
Had an insurance loss control person direct one of my clients to have all of the boats tie up stern-to because the o/b's sticking out were a liability hazard to passing vessels.
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| DelawareDan |
Posted on 07/07/07 - 8:50 PM
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Stan, beautiful boat! If you get a chance, start a Personal Page and post your pictures there, so they don't get lost in the threads. I grew up boating the GSB, and offshore through the Fire Island Inlet out of Bay Shore and Sayville.
Went out recently to my brother's wedding on the North Shore and reception at Captain Bill's on the south shore... had to go out to the end of the spit to Bud Murphey's old place, where my dad and I used to weigh in those big makos, threshers, and porbeagle sharks we caught in those days (mid 1960s). Used to go way offshore in a 17' Eltro ("Cork") with no radio for tuna and cod as well.
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<----- waxing nostalgic
Also had to visit the chowder bar our friend George Olson used to own down by Gil Clark's (now gone)... Chowder is still darn good! (Red, of course. I like a good white, and I'll take a good white over a bad red anyday. But a good red! Nothing beats it!)
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Posted on 07/08/07 - 3:36 AM
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and don't forget "Kingston's" Hidden at the end of Atlantic ave in Sayville (shhhh) great food, (I used to work at Bluepoints Oyster Co, in Sayville on Sat), Those are MY Oyters and Clams on the bottom of GSB, LOL, I was sad to see "Bluepoints" close, I did learn a lot, and I got in on the tail end of a once world famous place, that contributed significantly to seeding shellfish around Long Island. I did'nt make much $ there but, it was sure a fun place to work, free clams and Oysters too :) The only Oyster Co. left on "LONGUYLAND" is "Frank Flowers Oyster co." (worked the security boat there for 1 summer), talk about expensive boats, have you ever seen "OYSTER BAY" YIKES ! , I was filling up the patrol boat at the fuel dock, and a guy lit up a cigarette, I expressed my concerne, and as he pulled his hand away from lighting the Butt, I saw that it was "Billy Joel", I said "Hello" but he was as about as exciting to talk to as the coke machine next to his "ALEXIS".
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| stanlimm |
Posted on 07/08/07 - 6:00 AM
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And Kingstons is now a loud noisy place with fried food specialties, not a place for pre-boomer bodies. Blue Points is now a marina operated by the DeAnglis family. Charlie Hart is still in business catering to the head boats and other large vessels. The Long Island Maritime Museum (Suffolk Marine Museum) is still in business just celebrating its 40th anniversary and looking forward to the 16th Annual Seafood Festival August 25 & 26.
Still need to figure out what to do with the bow rail.
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| DelawareDan |
Posted on 07/08/07 - 6:44 AM
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How about removing the rail altogether? You could make the mod reversable by reinstalling the screws with SS trim washers and a non-permanent caulk. Chuck Tribolet uses his Montauk for diving, and did just that (removed the rail.) He has this to say:
First and foremost, you gotta be able to get on and off a dive boat. My Montauk doesn't have the standard bow rail, which seems to have been designed by a lawyer to keep drunken fishermen for falling overboard. I WANT to fall overboard. Removing the bow rail makes it easy to do a back roll off the bow, but you have to remember to straighten your legs at the knees or you'll bang your calves on the gunwale. You can get away with that on an inflatable and just bounce your calves off the tubes, but on a hard gunwale, it HURTS.
here is his interesting article
A fabricated slide bolt for the "latch" would make a more seamless look. You could put them at both ends rather than a hinge, but I'd be concerned about losing the piece overboard. Really not a whole lot of other options. Keep us posted on your boat and the GSB
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Posted on 07/08/07 - 7:24 AM
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Inline with what Joe said; the option to build custom rails would make sense for your needs. The Brunswick Commercial and Governmental Products division produces railings that only extend to a couple feet of the bow.
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You could have someone manufacture some like this, building them to the height and configuration you prefer.
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Posted on 07/08/07 - 8:12 AM
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Can't 90* or 45* s/s elbows be used after the Bow "CUT", and brought down connecting to tubing, and into a "T" end, fastened to the bow ? This would look "Finished", and add strength to the railing. A custom fabricated bow rail would look best, any good yard should be able to handle that. Sorry to hear about "Kingstons" :(
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