Thread subject: Whaler Central - Boston Whaler Boat Information and Photos :: Das BOat gets a New 150 ETEC
Posted by Yiddil on 04/03/10 - 1:21 PM
#1
After three years of looking I am finally going to sell my engine and re-power with that ETEC 150. A nice person found me and wants to by my Mercury at a fair price. And I got a fair price on an E-TEC 150, and I get the promotionals because it will be a done deal before 15 April.
Each year for the past three years or so, I have worked hard to find that elusive balance between a good seller and a good buyer and I'm happy to say we are both going to be very happy people tomorrow morning.
I am thrilled to be able to get that dream engine I always wanted. I can't wait to take her out for the first time. I have been warned to watch out as that throttle will push me back on my backside! Thanks Ren'e. And of course others have been wonderful in helping me with information all along thos trail.
It was just a matter of time and I don't give up easily.
If all works out I will have my Mercury derigged and DAS BOAT re-rigged with the E-TEC starting Monday, after I close the deal tomorrow morning.
I can't say enough about that Mercury I have had on Das Boat--what a great engine, economical and never a wimper of trouble ever. I loved that engine, but really wanted to try that E-TEC. When you get to be a certain age, you don't put things off for later, at least I don't. Life is to short to wait to long.
I am not sure what propeller should go on DAS BOAT, so any constructive help I can get there would be helpful. And I thank you in advance. I know there is some kind of formula somewhere to figure that out, but I also know Tom and some other have a lot of knowledge, so some asistance is appreciated. I have not found anyone with a Nantucket who has put a 150 E-TEC on her back, I would thing because people got new engines affiliated with Boston Whaler and Mercury. But even the re-powered ones were mostly Yamaha, Honda, or Verado, so this could be a not-so-common pairing of boat and engine and may be interesting to find out what performance comes out of the pairing.
I have the biggest smile on my face as I write this:)))
"It's been a long time coming"
Henry
Posted by Yiddil on 04/03/10 - 1:23 PM
#2
The dirty deeds are done! Finally it has happened:))))))
Merc is sold to a fine new Boston Whaler friend.
What a class act Tom is. Selling dealer was wonderful.
Basicly, here a price for the motor, add 2 percent tax and you can have anything you want on there:) And that included rigging, I-command, the works....I just told the dealer what I wanted and he said sure thing!Didn't even count the cash, just said fine:)What customer service!
Also, it helped that I got the 5 year warranty as well.
The 150 ETEC will be installed this coming week as everything needed is in the shop already.I should be all set for Rock Fish Season starting the 17th. waiting on some preliminary input from people on a possible match for a prop(included)...so let me here from you...hope to hash it out here in the thread
also:))so helpful replys are very welcomed.
I'm still smiling from ear to ear:)))
Kamie has to be thanked also as she gave me a lot of information and understanding.(always)the voice of reason and consistant common sense.
There was nothing coom sense about this decision, it was all about wanting it and finding a way to get something i really wanted. Still Smiling:)
Henry aka The Yiddil
Posted by Joe Kriz on 04/03/10 - 1:52 PM
#3
Congratulations Yiddil.
Looking forward to hearing your report on how you like the E-Tec compared to the Mercury 150 2 stroke.
Posted by Phil T on 04/03/10 - 3:26 PM
#4
Joe -
Henry
had a Mercaha (Mercury engine with a Yamaha powerhead) 115 hp.
Posted by Joe Kriz on 04/03/10 - 3:34 PM
#5
Thanks Phil,
Then he will definitely notice a difference between a 115 and a 150 no matter what brand...
Yiddel, yes, hang on tight then...
Posted by Yiddil on 04/03/10 - 5:33 PM
#6
Joe, Phil,
I hav ebeen warned about the "hold On tight" stuff, actually, Ive been on Kamie's 175 ETEC rigged Outrage and said "wow " when I took the helm a few times...A few other people have told me to be careful also...they have been knocked down and off balance not realizing what this can do to a steady person.
Thnaks, Im thrilled! I really had my heart set on one for years now....
Is there a way to figure out props for this bad boy??
If you only knew the past problems finding this....finally!
Thanks, Henry
Posted by HarleyFXDL on 04/03/10 - 6:20 PM
#7
Henry congrats! Hope the new engine brings many years of happiness.
Posted by kamie on 04/03/10 - 6:26 PM
#8
Congrats Henry,
I'm just glad he finally got the new engine. Now we can go out on his boat, I won't complain about the cloud of smoke
Posted by Tom W Clark on 04/03/10 - 6:33 PM
#9
Henry,
I recommend you try a 14-1/4" x17" Stiletto Advantage 4.75 or a 14-1/4" x 18" Mercury Enertia propeller.
Posted by Yiddil on 04/03/10 - 6:37 PM
#10
kamie, Now you know my engine after it warmed up a bit, didn't smoke all much at all:))
But Yes, I want all my friends to breath deep wiith out choking.
I never heard that merc called that Phil...funny
In in all fairness, it was very pleased with that MERC. 115 Classic
I have not a single complaint, it served me well all these years and the best part is I now will have the engine I always wanted...
Correction...my first interest in a repower was back in 2005...so its been 5 years!...
But at that time the ETEC was just about to come out and no one knew alot about them...
But now we know:))
Cant wait to get you out there Kamie...and just scoot!!!
Posted by Phil T on 04/03/10 - 6:39 PM
#11
I was doing a search for you on prop recommendations while Tom posted.
Whalerman posted in
this thread that he sees 56mph with his Outrage 18 and a 150 hp ETEC so I would make sure you have a good grip. Maybe seat belts should be on your wish list. LOL.
I have a hard time imagining going that fast since my waters are snotty on a good day. Then again Henry, if your waters are anything like Long Island sound the day we did NYC, your going to have a BLAST!
Posted by Yiddil on 04/03/10 - 7:07 PM
#12
Tom, Please explain how you came to that recommendation...
Phil...I really cant see me doing 50MPH, but they do assume it my be in the mid to high 40s.....heck it might be advantageous to get some seat belts...:)I just cant wait ..
should be a blast:)
How did he get to 56 MPH...when Kamie has a 175 on hers and as far as I know, its no way 56 mph>>>???
Posted by whalerman on 04/04/10 - 7:29 AM
#13
Hi and congrats!!! Those figures are the rpm range- 5600 to 5700 wot. My top speed is arround 50 mph all trimmed out, AV plate 1 1/2" above the keel. Prop is a Viper 14 3/4"x 17". Have the oil set for XD100 for engine longevity. The oil is a bit expensive but worth it as the engines are expensive to begin with. The Whaler will look great so post some pictures, yes , I know, I haven't posted any but soon. Need a digital camera first, spare change goes to the outrage!!!! Oh yea, that smile will stay for along time, been 3yrs for me.
Edited by whalerman on 04/04/10 - 7:36 AM
Posted by JohnnyCW on 04/04/10 - 8:04 AM
#14
I retired my old Merc 115 last summer for a new Etec 115. The Merc was still running strong but repairs were getting more frequent and some of the motor's lower fasteners had their heads almost completely corroded away after many years of salt. The re-power was also an opportunity for me to completely rewire the entire boat and move my battereis from the transom to the center console. Haven't looked back since. The Etec has been wonderful and significantly outperforms my old Merc at every rpm. I'm now rarely ever past half throttle even when getting up on a plane. If I do plane with full throttle, I'm quickly pulling it back as she clears the bow wake because the boat just takes off like a rocket and pulls hard to top speed.
I'm working this weekend while my brother is enjoying my boat. Its the first time he has taken it out since the re-power. He called me a few days ago about 10 minute after putting her into the water and all he could say was WOW!
Looking forward to reading about your experience.
Posted by Yiddil on 04/04/10 - 9:38 AM
#15
Whalerman thanks for the post...you have a outrage thats 1200 lbs right? old one...this is a 2004 so its almost double the weight...and so I do not expect 50's out of this engine and config. A long time ago i made it clear that I just dont need to go that fast and it was not the main reason for the buy..but its wonderful to know I can move a bit quicker than I used to:)))
Posted by Yiddil on 04/04/10 - 10:08 AM
#16
Thnaks Joe...yep..it will make a heck of a difference Im told:)
Posted by whalerman on 04/05/10 - 1:35 PM
#17
Yes, it's the older style. Don't usualy go that fast. As Johnny says about half throttle is plenty, but you've got the resurve if needed.
Posted by Yiddil on 04/18/10 - 5:02 PM
#19
James, thanks for posting that for me...
I seem to be picture posting challanged at both sites...
The prop is a 19P viper and I'm hoping it will not need an adjustment to a 17P but the dealer will do that if needed.
I really think I got a great deal froma real gentleman of a dealer...He originally said "anything you want" with this engine and he gave me anything I wanted for a set price
that was thousands less than the 5 competitors I worked with this year, and the 4 competitors I worked with the last 3 years each before that.
I had just about given up when it all came together.
Very interesting about the way you change these plugs...and hoiw they line up with injectors to work right...winterizing is so easy, I was amazed.
The cowling is lighter than any cowling Ive ever lifted. And she was so quite at Idle...yet when you punch her she Growels...definetly differnet than the Merc.
still learning about her capabilities...will get the soft ware and the cable so I can get reports on her...
will post better pics one day soon...been a crazy few weeks...
Henry
Posted by Yiddil on 04/18/10 - 8:40 PM
#20
Phil...thanks for the research on the prop...Dealer gave me a 19P Viper prop to start off with..if I need a 17, Im sure I can swap it out but he felt that would be the one..hes been spot right on with almost everything so I have trust in his 40 years doing this. He gave me everything he promised to give me, including the prop, deriged the Merc and riged the ETEC, 3 sm dials, 1 large , all I command, 1.8 oil tank, GPS and digital fuel sensor, mem. mods as I asked for.
I think they hit the ball out of the park compared to others I tryed to deal with.
Kamie, who has the 175, has been a true friend once again, guilding me through the process, and I have learned and continue to learn so much as I go forward.
Everyone on this site and others have been nice and patient with me all this time and Im very thankful to have all these people as friends who are there to help.
But you can't all get on Das BOat, at Das House, with the Das ETEC all at once...get on line:))) hehe Kamie is first though:) She puts up with me more than anyone:))
Posted by joninnj on 04/18/10 - 9:19 PM
#21
Congrads Henry and good luck!
Posted by Mark Finkenstaedt on 04/18/10 - 10:15 PM
#22
Can't wait to see it June 4/5th for the Potomac swim.
Posted by Yiddil on 04/19/10 - 6:54 AM
#23
Mark, Jon...thanks for the nice comments...
Mark..yep, you will...Hey question...what kind of prop are you using on your 150? I got a 19 Viper to start with...just curious...thanks Henry
Posted by themclos on 04/19/10 - 7:02 AM
#24
Yiddil,
Congratulations. She looks nice on the boat.
I'm looking forward to reading your performance reports.
Dan
Posted by Mark Finkenstaedt on 04/19/10 - 8:20 AM
#25
Yiddil wrote:
Mark, Jon...thanks for the nice comments...
Mark..yep, you will...Hey question...what kind of prop are you using on your 150? I got a 19 Viper to start with...just curious...thanks Henry
I've a REBEL 15.5 x 17.
Posted by Yiddil on 04/19/10 - 1:29 PM
#26
wow thats a bit different...then again..17 or 19 is what I figured...:) Thnaks Mark...Be real interesting seeing both together at the swim..Actually, there will be quite a few more, justin has two 250's, Kamie has a 175, Mac has a 90, then yours and mine..I think the ETECs have taken over the Safgety fleet:)
Posted by duf on 04/19/10 - 2:16 PM
#27
just viewed your pictures, looks great back there. Not having maintenance for three years is a very nice positive as well. My 225 2006 ETEC s doing very well, and with a cold winter we had this year, i had it laid up for almost 2 months which is unheard of. So when i did crank it, it was all of a turn and fired right up. trust me, you will enjoy the speed as well, as with my 22 Outrage, can do around 54 on perfect conditions. 48 - 50 in some stuff. Cruises like a champ all day long in the mid 30's which is where i usually run her.
Duf
Posted by Mark Finkenstaedt on 04/19/10 - 3:22 PM
#28
Yiddil wrote: there will be quite a few more, justin has two 250's, Kamie has a 175, Mac has a 90, then yours and mine..I think the ETECs have taken over the Safgety fleet:)
Think Meg Ryan in her famous scene in "When Harry met Sally" - Oh yea, baby!
Anyone got a light?
Posted by Yiddil on 04/19/10 - 7:44 PM
#29
Duf...thats a great l;ooking boat and engine you have there:) If you read all my posts you will see how long Ive waited for this to happen...Heck, I should even be here to enjoy it..but thats another story for another day.
Mark, wait till you see allthe etec's in the fleet:)
Posted by duf on 04/20/10 - 1:42 PM
#30
Thanks! Thats when i just got her, and have done a lot of cleaning since then. The stains on the deck were teak stain, i think the previous owner used a hose to apply it, and were tough to get off. But bartenders helper and Acetone did the trick along with a lot of elbow grease.
Duf
Posted by Yiddil on 04/26/10 - 9:42 AM
#31
Just for informational purposes...there is a 2010 and 2008 pdf for both the install of the etec and the guages...there was no 2009 update. Seems the biggest differences are the classic guages are discontinued...and of course the blue and red connectors need an adapter to work together, although I am not sure when that actually took effect..adapter is a 20 dollor item...
These PDf's a re very useful as they show insall info and show how things get matched up and lined up electronicly and physically. I took looking for these after I saw and got a copy of the 2008's and wondered about the 2009, 2010 and if there was any updates...this should help people.
Henry
Posted by Yiddil on 04/26/10 - 9:46 AM
#32
joninnj, thanks for the kind words...everyone, thanks for the kind words....
I still have more questions as I learn more...but I am sure this will be a wonderful experience and motor for Das BOat.
I hear the weather will break this week and I will be on the ptomac River if anyone is looking for me...Ill be that blur going by:)))
Henry
Posted by Joe Kriz on 04/26/10 - 11:49 AM
#33
Yiddil wrote:
Seems the biggest differences are the classic guages are discontinued.
Henry,
Can you explain more detail about this?
What are you calling classic gauges?
I find it very hard to believe that some classic gauges are no longer available. What about all the older motors that might need a new gauge like a System Check tach, voltmeter, trim gauge, etc...?
The older motors can't use the newer Commander or iCommand type of gauges.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=43
Posted by Yiddil on 04/26/10 - 6:01 PM
#34
Im so sorry, I have not been clear...
I-command had something called "Classic Guages" they were I-command but looked like regular guages as compared to the all digital ones they predominiently have now, Until recently you could get these if you chose to instead of the "digital looking" ones. The "Classic" ones were also digital, but had reular looking faces with digital parts....If I knew how to post a pic, I would...but I wanted these classic looking ones originaly, but they have been discontinued for all digital ones...when I cant tell you...but they are hard to find as supplies are hard to come by. There are plenty of "clasical Looking guages that are NOTI command you can use, but my point would be why wouldn't you use them to get all the read outs if you have an ETEC...I hope that clears it up...
henry
Posted by Joe Kriz on 04/26/10 - 6:26 PM
#35
Looking at the link I provided above, they show 2 different types of I-Command gauges.
1. I-Command Classic (these were not digital)
2. I-Command Digital
Both of the above were for E-Tec engines only.
So from what you are saying, BRP no longer makes the I-Command Classic series of gauges. Correct?
If so, bummer.
I know several members that have the I-Command Classic gauges on their Whaler and like them. I for one like having separate gauges because you can see at a glance what your engine is doing. With the digital, you sometimes have to press buttons to view other functions. That might be Ok for some people and not for others.
I guess we don't have that choice now unless we want to stay with the Tech Series.
Posted by Yiddil on 04/26/10 - 8:05 PM
#36
Joe ,
That seems to be the case as I wanted the "classic" ones but was told they were discontinued
I Liked them because they were easy to see with old eyes:) But I was plesantly suprized with the I-command digital...they are sharpe and I could see them clearly
I also feel like I dont want to scroll through pages while Im driving my boat so I asked and received 1 large guage and three small ones for my dash so what I want to see is clearly there without having to scholl through pages.
That being said, I can still set each guage up to do any of the other functions as a back up if one goes down or if I do want to schroll pages...a bit redundent but thats what I wanted.
The 2010 PDF does not have the classic guages in it..only digital. correct...discontinued correct...no longer available.
(but some one may have them sitting around to sell...)
I'm okay with the digitals...I made sure I got the sensors I wanted and the memory moduals I wanted and the gps ant. I wanted so I could do the things I wanted
You have to decide what you like and want, I was only doing this once so I did it my way, not the dealers way....and he did exactly what I asked for.
Posted by Yiddil on 05/02/10 - 4:59 PM
#37
Well, all I can say about my first day out in Das Boat with
"Das Etec" Holy Moly! Absolutly fantastic! The hole shot was incredable! The quietness of this motor at Idle, fantatstic!, Power...WOW! This boat was made for this engine!
With a full 60 gallons of gas, two people and all the canvas down, using a 19 P Viper TBX...in third hole down...these are preliiminary numbers....with a 1 ft wave...and 10-15mph wind.
Tom let me know what you think...anyone else?
advanced throttle past this to wot and no change
4800 43mph and that felt really fast
4450...39mph
4000...35mph
3500...30.5mph
3300...28mph
2500...Up on plane
I am thinking I probabaly need another size prop? 17P viper? Could that be correct???as I should be in the 5300-5600 so Im about 500-600rpms short...
let me know what you think,
What an Engine...I was shocked at how good this engine was:))Dials were great, have a few vids and shots Ill post when Im on a faster line:)))
Henry
also,
Now about that TBX unit...I have never used one, put one on or taken one off...is there a how to do this somewhere...I understand its different than the basic Flo-turg ones I used to use...Thanks Henry
Posted by Yiddil on 05/03/10 - 2:11 PM
#38
Heres a first vid of me holding on for life:))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t14ropPFqLw
will swap out the 19P for a 17P as per my prop g-ds recommendations...
simply amazing!