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I have the opportunity to get a 1965 17' montauk, the hull is in good condition, however the gunwale and decks need glass work. How complicated can glass work get?

The pictures I've attached is what worst spots on the gunwale, as well as a few other ones. Would love to hear your opinions, esp anyone that has restored a boat from this stage.

Thanks,

17Whaler.

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Welcome aboard WhalerCentral.

1. No such thing as a 1965 Montauk.

2. What model do you really have?
Look through the Whaler Model Specifications section and let us know.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...allery.php

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Where are your pictures?

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Yeah this boat was really sketchy. I think I am better off going for the 1968 Currituck. What do you guys think about this boat?

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Your not giving us very much information on either of those boats. Do you have pictures and more details?

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Seabob is right, he is a new member, and one that posts, seems like most don`t. New blood is always good.
Welcome aboard.:D

rich

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haha hey guys sorry about the picture problem, like you all said i am a new member and screwed up posting the pictures. FYI i guess the guy is having a hard time selling what he claims is the 1965 montauk.... he emailed me this morning offering 200 lower than he initially wanted for it... hes moving and wnats to get rid of it.

i'll see what i can do , i have all hte pictures in an email, trying to upload.

-17whaler

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Another EMAIL back... it is a 17 foot nasuet!! The wife had posted the boat and when I told her there was no such thing as a 17 foot 1965 montauk she checked with her husband.........still trying to figure out how to upload pics, if anyone would want to check out the pics via email (there are a bunch of them) let me know and I'd love to hear your opinion, thanks!
-17whaler

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17Whaler - You can email me the pics and I will put them up for you.

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here are the photos Ricky (17Whaler) sent me to post. See if you guys can help him out .

[img]http://www.agentacom.com/images/personal/ricky/1.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://www.agentacom.com/images/personal/ricky/6.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.agentacom.com/images/personal/ricky/7.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.agentacom.com/images/personal/ricky/8.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.agentacom.com/images/personal/ricky/9.jpg[/img]

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Just my opinion on this one 17Whaler. It does not appear to have a ton of glass work. However, the gelcoat is shot and will most likely need to be ground down and faired. You could then come back and paint the boat with Awlgrip and end up with a pretty nice classic hull. Being in the process of a complete restore myself I can tell you it is very time consuming and has cost more money than I originally expected. The console with electronics and controls alone is going to run you a pretty penny. Paint for prep and final coat is $$$$$. Labor-labor-labor! Just make sure you try to calculate what it is going to take to get her back together. Here is a good starting budget for you.

Exterior
1 - Sanding supplies
2 - Fiberglass and Resin
3 - Fairing Compound
4 - Paint or Gelcoat
5 - Bottom paint if Awlgripped

Interior
1 - Sanding Supplies
2 - Transom repair like Seacast
3 - Fiberglass and resin
4 - Fairing Compound
5 - Paint of Gelcoat
6 - Rub Rail
7 - Console (May includes items 8-12)
8 - Steering and Cables
9 - Binnacle and Cables
10 - Gauges
11 - Windshield
12 - Grab rails
13 - Fuel tank and hoses
14 - Lights and Wiring
15 - Seating or Leaning Post

Other
1 - 70-100hp Motor
2 - Trailer
3 - USCG requirements (Vests, horn, extinguisher, and throw cushion)

I am sure I am missing a few things in my list but this is a good start. Good luck with what ever you decide to do.

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Not sure what he is asking for the hull but, I would not be worth more than 500 - 600 at best on Ebay which is usually over priced. Personally I would even think twice for $250.

How much of a project are you willing to take on? The entire boat needs a lot of work. I am willing to bet the foam between the skins is very saturated if not completely waterlogged making the entire soft because of the underlaying plywood would be rotting. Looking at the hull if it were me here is what I would expect to do.

Cut the floor out and replace the plywood and reglass the floor.

Soda blast the entire hull and begin sanding out all of the cracks and crazing. filling all of these areas and flaring them out smooth.

Rebuilding and recoring the transom.

Shooting the hull in primer and sanding it out.

Either awlgrip or regelcoat the entire hull.

Put all new thru hull drains

Building or buying a new OEM style console, forward locker door, and RPS seat and fishing and installing them

Buying and install a new rub rail

Buying and installing all new nav lights

Buying all new wiring, bus bars, breakers, heat shrink tubing, connector, etc and rewiring the boat

All new electronics

Buying a new or used motor for the boat. Installing the motor

Buying and installing all be rigging for the boat

buying a trailer

and the list goes on and on. In the end buying and building a project whaler can cost the same or more than just buying a seaworthy complete boat up front. If you already have a lot of the tools, and basic materails laying around (epoxy, glass cloth, wires, connectors, gelcoat or paint, and a motor) you can be somewhat ahead of the game. If not be ready to empty your pockets in a hurry. Also take what you think it will take you in time to finish it and triple that to get to the real number. Honestly.

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That is BIG. Big bucks and Big labor.

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I am far from an expert in any of this but I would take Jeff''s advice in a heart beat. That looks like a ton of work and and expense.

I have seen so many nice boats for sale lately I can't imagine diving into a project that large. But good luck in which ever decision you make.

Howard

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Take Jeff`s advice, Keep looking. If it was a freebee I would take it and cut the floor out of it. If it is as saturated as I think it will be, I would dig out the foam, fill it with good dirt and grow nice flowering shrubs in it. boats look cool in gardens.
Check the chunk out of the transom. If you can`t fix it, an expert can, for the tune of 2 grand. Ouch!
rich

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Thanks guys for the responses... appreciate it. I am very happy I posted and got this feedback. I wound up telling her that I wouldn't pay more than 200 and they wouldn't go lower than 500! But after reading the responses I am glad I didn't even pay the 200..



-17Whaler

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Yeah, I'd troll Craigslist and ebay for a better buy.

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Plenty more in much better shape out there. Keep a constant look out for them. Glad you walked away from that.

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I'd walk away from this one but, keep searching, there's one out there for you, it's just part of the "HUNT" for a Boston Whaler.
mw

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Hey,
Seems like plenty of work alright..
Having said that, I can personally say that I could have used my present project as is and enjoyed her until I got fed up and passed her on to someone else.
For me It isn't just the pleasure of a near perfect craft ( there is no such thing) but the pleasure to know exactly what you got and having taken the time to make it right..
I do enjoy this kind of work and don't mind investing all the time that it takes to get it the way I want it to be..
Hey, If you can give him a number that he can live with and that you can spend the money on materials, you will possibly have yourself a decent project..
At times, it is not necessarily the destination but rather the time spent traveling on the trip that makes it worthwhile.
To sum it up a judgment call..;)

Serge.

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ritzyrags,
Thank you for this comment
At times, it is not necessarily the destination but rather the time spent traveling on the trip that makes it worthwhile.
My restored Bass boat is on e-bay right now, and if it doesn`t sell,(the reserve is way below the cost of materials) I can remember the fun and good time I had doing the 2 year restoration. And I`ve learned something about that too. Always stick with boats with a famous name to restore.
rich

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Roger that Binkie!
Reminds me of the total calm when fishing when all the gear is working fine and then bang! the big strike.
You and I don't mind putting some time into works even tough the end is not in sight..B)

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Talk to RLwhaler, check out his personal page. He'll give you good direction.
He is in Houston.