Posted by Gary Sr on 12/06/07 - 3:36 PM
#1
I just went to look at a possible sale of a 1991 17' Outrage I. There are four scuppers in the stern. Two slightly lower then the others in the motor well and two that are even with the deck. The deck to the inside of the scuppers is slightly raise to allow water to feed out of the boat and any over flow would enter the bildge. The fellow who owns the boat has all of the scuppers plugged. I told him the this would make the Outrage a bathtub by not allowing water to escape if the bildge pump failed. He argued and said that this is what the dealer told him to do. Am I missing something? The seller has gotten so many inquires about the boat that he is now adjusting his thinking of selling and price from $12K to over $18K. I think he's in dream world.
Posted by Phil T on 12/06/07 - 4:06 PM
#2
I own the exact boat.
You are correct: there are two drains for the splashwell (inner 2). The outside two will drain water from the deck but it will also drain into the bilge.
I run with the inside (splashwell) drains unplugged and the outside drains plugged. I also plug the bilge drain (goes down to the keel) and have a bilge pump set to auto. I would call this standard procedure. I rarely get water in so it is a no brainer.
This model is different from a Montauk in that it is not self bailing, rather, self draining
while on a plane. If you leave the outside drains open and are not on a plane water can enter, drain down to the bilge and eventually the central tank cavity. The boat will not sink, or even come close. It sits a little lower but not much. On my sea trial, seller forgot the bilge plug when launching (boat did not have a bildge pump then). With 3 guys in the boat, I never noticed. He remembered and installed it while underway. I prefer to keep water out of the boat. Think the advice is accurate.
As to his price, if it is in excellent shape, has a brand new 4 stroke engine, new trailer, new canvas, new electronics and new cushions, maybe 18k. I bought mine with all the above for a less than that 2 years ago. If all components are 1991 vintage, I would estimate 9-12k, higher for California.
It is a great boat. Have 110 hours on it in 3 seasons.
Hope this helps.
Edited by Phil T on 12/06/07 - 4:13 PM
Posted by bigfish114 on 12/07/07 - 8:17 AM
#3
Gary
I concur with Phil about the drain plugs. I have a 1993 17' Outrage, and this is also my standard running configuration. If you were to take a wave in following seas you'd end up wet to the ankles but still afloat. The price that the seller is thinking of selling would have to be for a spotless boat. No cracks, newer trailer, new engine, etc. West Coast prices are a bit higher, but not that high. Good luck, and keep us posted.
Posted by bw17 on 12/07/07 - 11:23 PM
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This model is different from a Montauk in that it is not self bailing, rather, self draining while on a plane. If you leave the outside drains open and are not on a plane water can enter, drain down to the bilge and eventually the central tank cavity.
I have a 1994 Outrage 17' with a Johnson 90, and it self-bails just fine when sitting at the dock.
With people on board in the stern area, it stops self-bailing...but I have no problem dockside.
I never thought about that sea-water getting into the central tank cavity. But even with the plugs in the scuppers, I don't think you can avoid the seawater in the bilge if you use your livewell. It is bound to splash over the edge and into the bilge anyhow.