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I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a 1993 Johnson 150 mounted on a hydraulic jack plate. I am considering repowering with a Yamaha 150 or 200 4 stroke. I have never overpowered a boat before(this is our 7th whaler), but I will be using this boat for skiing. I also have a deck installed in the bow that weighs approximately 150 pounds. I would also like to use the Yamaha DEC controls, which seem to only be available on the 200. I am curious as to what you all think is my best option. (Mercury is definitely not an option for me. - VERY bad experiences with them) Also, if I overpower, is there any chance I could still purchase insurance? I know my current insurance company would drop me like a brick. Would the 150 4 stroke be plenty of power to pull skiers with a family of four aboard? Anyone that can provide any input from experience with this boat would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Frank

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I am certainly not trying to express my opinion on what brand to buy, but here are some weights to consider.


I would think if a person wants max hp at the lightest weight, the E-Tec 200 or the Yamaha F200 In-Line would be the best choices.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...cle_id=110

Note: i left out Mercury because you definitely do not want that choice.

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Frank,

Typically insurance is not really the issue, the main issue is that most shops won't over power a boat. They don't want to take the risk that something will happen and they will be sued. I would personally go for the e-tec, I think you will find the 150HP has plenty of power, especially the low end for pulling a skier. If you find a shop that will order the engine and let you do the install, you can bump it up to the 175 HP.

I am running the e-tec 175HP on the same hull.

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Thanks Joe and Kamie. For some reason, I am partial to the four stroke Yamaha. However, Etec is a strong second. I do like the DEC controls that are available on the 200 Yamaha, but not the 150. Not sure if something similar is available on the 150 -200 Etecs. Will have to study them a bit more. My local mechanic is very good and sells both, so that is not an issue. Kamie, what is your top end and what prop are you running?
Frank

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Frank, I don't see any Command Link DEC controls listed on the Yamaha site, only the Command Link Plus. The CL+ controls only work on the 4.2L and V8 outboards (and some older 3.3L F250B models).

Which 200 Yamaha are you thinking about?

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Tmann45, I was referring to the f200 in-line. I looked at their website again and there seems to be some ambiguity as to whether command link + is available on that model. The brochure says it is compatible with command link + gauges, but I can't find any other mention of it on their website. I guess my dealer will have to determine that if I decide to go with the 200. I did notice that the Etec 150-200 can be used with their Icon digital throttle system. I think that is a good thing.
Frank

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I run a 19P Mercury Vensura 4 blade prop. Top end last time I tested was 46.5 but I have had it pushing 47+ if I trim out more. I do have really bad bottom paint on the boat and the prop may be a touch high but I am happy with it. It has great hole shot and and i can cruse anywhere between 25-35 MPH easily.

I have the I-Command digital gauges which provide a ton of data, especially if you add the fuel module. I do not have the new Icon throttle but I really wish I did, the ability to tune RPM's for trolling would be a nice touch.

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It looks like you would need a 2008 or newer E-tec 150 to 300hp models to be able to use the new Icon controls.


I wonder what that add-on kit costs? Plus the Icon controls?
Anyone know the price of the controls and the add-on kit?

2010 250hp and 300hp models have the add-on kit already installed but it doesn't look like any of the smaller sizes are included. You would still need the add-on kit.
http://www.evinrude.com/Content/Pdf/e..._Sheet.pdf

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Here is some dealer pricing, as per the Evinrude free rigging Promotion sheet from July 2013:

Evinrude E-TEC engines that do not include the factory installed ICON actuator kit (non 'DE' models) will require the dealer to purchase the ICON actuator kit separately.
Part number 764979 for 200HO – 300HP engines with a dealer cost of $1104.45.
Part number 765304 for 150 – 200 HP (60°) engines with a dealer cost of $1092.45.

This is just the actuator kit for converting the engine to Icon.

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Marko,

Ouch. $1100 dollars just for the kit.

Thanks.
Now we need to find out the price of the controls.

Not that inexpensive for a single engine application.
I can see it possibly if you have twins or triple motors.

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Yep. missed it by 1 year

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I checked with my dealer and he confirmed that the F200 In-line Yamaha can be paired with the command link + throttle and gauges. Actually, Yamaha makes a digital version and a mechanical version. The motor must come from the factory setup the way you wish. In other words, they cannot be converted after manufacturing. At least, not easily. I am leaning towards the F200, instead of the F150 since the DEC controls are not available on the F150. I am still waiting to see what the cost difference will be between the F200 and the F150. He has agreed to install a F200 on this hull if I choose to go that route. Does anyone know if there is any negative aspects, performance wise, of running a 200 hp on this hull considering the F150 weighs the same as the 200?
Frank

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Please let us know what the price of the DEC controls.
And any photos of those controls so we can add them to our article.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...?cat_id=13

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Not that I can think of, but then i run a 175HP on mine

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Only the operator and I would suggest not loaning the boat out or having kids run it.
Same weight, and you don't have to use full throttle. Might even consider a limiter if you feel it necessary.

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After running my boat for one season with a 21p stainless(Yamaha) and finding the same Yamaha prop in a 19p , I can attest that a properly propped boat can make all the difference. Even with the 21p prop I could put four teenagers in the boat and pull a tube. The 19p has made it effortless and a better holeshot.

I am have a gps top end of 44 mph with just me with a 130 hp Yamaha and from info from others who have more horsepower, the top end seems to only go up a few mph with a larger outboard.