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Just convinced friend to purchase -22 Outrage in place of his 17 ft SS 1985-which is for sale

Trying to figure motor size-
is 175 adequate
225 too much
200 perfect

No overkill or under power

Should have bought it myself but too many (5) like most
Thanks He will be fishing the Chesapeake Bay area, take out his G Kids and generally too around

THANKS

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See this article we have on Current Engine Choices.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...p?cat_id=4

I would suggest a 200 or 225 hp motor.

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I have a 22' outrage cuddy with a 1988 200 hp Yamaha. It seems like perfect power to me. A friend had a 225 johnson on a 22' open and it also seemed fine.Both motors are very thirsty. My concern would be the added weight of a four-stroke. I am a huge Yamaha fan and love the fuel usage of the 115 4-stroke I have on another boat. I guess the e-tech is a great option, but why is no other manufactuer doing what they are? That scares me until those motors have been around for years. When I buy stuff, I keep it forever. I would like to know the decision as I would like to re-power mine at some point [for fuel economy only].

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The 200 E-Tec @433 pounds is the lightest motor in its class.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=30

Several members have this motor on their 22' Outrage.
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusion...ser_id=271

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Tell him to drop a 200HP E-Tec. If he is down anywhere near the Northern Neck, have him call York River Marine, don't hang up until you get a live body.

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I have a very good friend who has an old 150 v6 two stroke on his Outrage 22 with the added weight of a pilot house. I would say this is minimum power for the hull. He is very happy with it for BC Coastal use though. Top speed is in the low to mid 30's.

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Marko,

I am glad you edited your post.
The Yamaha F200 you suggested weighs in at 608 pounds.

Let me suggest this:
Go somewhere, another state, providence, country, whatever.
Take a test ride in someone's boat with an E-Tec on it.
Then give us your personal experienced opinion rather then listening to someone else's.

I for one would like to hear your personal experience in using an E-Tec.

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I have a Honda 225 on my 1979 22' open w/ T-Top...she sits nicely on her lines, and cruises easily around 24 knots, tops around 36 knots...and of course she's pretty good on fuel, though no performance numbers to pass along.

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Hi Joe, yes the current F200 is very heavy, but the one that is on it's way weighs the same as the current F150 read about it here:

http://www.fishingworld.com.au/news/y...eight-f200

It may be a year away...just like the Suzuki 140A, which though still not on the Suzuki website, is supposed to arrive in Canada in the new year.

I have no doubt a new ETEC would perform VERY well... the 2-stk advantages are very clear, but performance is not my concern.

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Thanks for feed back
Found a Suzuki 200 but rumor has it
Not good dlr support
Merc has 4 cyl engine - expensive 200hp
Yamaha coming out with one beginning if
Year
Whaler dlrs gravitate to 200 Hp
Weigh major concern
He is in no neck where Potomac and
Chesapeake meet - fantastic area
Caught 30 rock couple of weeks ago
Will keep U posted

Whlr13

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Let's forget about 2 stroke versus 4 stroke.

Let's look at the new engines available today.
All are quiet. All have good fuel economy. Almost all are CARB 3 rated.
(NOTE: if they are not CARB 3 rated, I would NOT buy)
All are expensive.

So, weight is important on the back of a Classic Whaler.
I would look at the weight and local dealer support.
I would also listen to people with first hand experience.
I would NOT listen to people who told me their brothers, wife's friend, knew someone down the road that said that a certain motor brand was not good.
Do not believe in 2nd hand rumors is my point.

There are plenty of people here that can give you their first hand experience with different brands of motors.
If they haven't owned that brand, then they can't give you first hand experience unless they have been onboard and/or tested one out.

whlr13,
I don't understand what weight you are concerned about.
E-Tec 200 @433 pounds isn't too heavy for an Outrage 22'. That is actually very light compared to all other new models.

Twin 70's would weigh in @ 500 pounds for the older original classic motors.
Twin 115's would weigh even more.

The Outrage 22' was rated for up to 240 hp.
http://www.whalercentral.com/userphot...album_id=1

I agree with your dealer. 200 hp but not the heavier 4 stroke models.

That article on the new F200.
It weighs in at 227 kilos = 500 pounds
Not bad weight but here is a problem that I see here in the US.
It prefers to run on 95 Octane which is recommend. 91 Octane E10 fuel was suitable but could see a slight reduction in horsepower.
Apparently it won't like 87 Octane regular E10 fuel that most of us get here in the US.
I guess there goes some fuel economy in the price of the fuel.

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Fuel is rated differently in Australia. They use the RON standard, which is 4-5 points higher than our (R+M/2) method. RON 91 is equivalent to our 87.

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Thanks
All good info
Also Noted in article on merc 4
Stroke - hi octane requirement
6 cyl four strokes "were" a consideration
Prior to finding others options and
I'm sure your aware of their-
Yamaha/merc weight
Have to get more feedback and price
On evinrude as well as support in our area
Heard both good and bad-rumors as u
Quote but it could work
There is a Yamaha dlr in fl- good reputation
That deals in like bew used engines big time
He has them all- low hours btw
$5000-$10000 range
Amazing whatever do for our friends
To get them into whalers
Thanks again
Whlr13

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Could you share the name of this Florida dealer?

Jeff

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Russ palm beach outboards
Yamaha dlr in riviera beach
Has some really nice engines
Seems to be straight uP

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Thanks for the info.
All I saw stated in the article was "Octane" and "Kilos".

The weight is certainly improved knocking off 108 pounds.
Wonder how they did that exactly.
Looking forward to seeing this new model in everyday use.

One thing in the article doesn't make sense to me.

If a boat is rated for a max hp of 150, how can it then "upgrade to a higher horsepower"?
If they are talking just about weight only, and not max hp, then this would be possible. A little misleading though, the way I read it.

The biggest thing most of us have against 4 strokes is the higher weight.
The newer Yamaha 70 @257 pounds has lost a lot of weight which is now a good choice for 15' and 16/17' models.
Or even twins on some models.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...ticle_id=5

This new F200 @500 pounds seems that it might be a good option for the 22' models.

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The new F200 lost weight by going down in physical size from a 3.3L V6 to an inline 4 at 2.8L. With this change, I suspect it may make less torque, but we'll have to wait and see.

More repowering options for our beloved classics is a good thing!