Thread subject: Whaler Central - Boston Whaler Boat Information and Photos :: HP vs Pitch vs Blades ????
Posted by WhalerSailor on 05/21/07 - 11:36 AM
#1
Cheers all,
I have a friend who has just retro fitted his 13' Whaler with a 1962 Merc 500. This is one clean Merc 500. Great compression! Looks and runs like new. We fitted it to the boat and took it out last week with the old two blade prop which came on it. The engine ran great all day but would only reach a top speed of 23 MPH and the motor was sounding like it was revved too high. As of now we haven't installed a tach (coming soon). Yesterday he put a three blade Michigan wheel prop on it and could not achieve WOT (nowhere near it) and a top speed of 12 MPH. Both props are 13 pitch. Is there such a thing as setting the dwell or point setting to match a prop (ie. two vs three blade)? I used to have an old VW with no power - cleaned and set the points and she took off! I know these props were sold as standard props for as little as 35 HP and his boat is small and light. Any insight would help immensely. Thanks, Dave
Posted by moose on 05/21/07 - 12:45 PM
#2
Dave,
Something seems very wrong. Is it an older 13 with a short transom? How were you determining your speed? How about trim?
I have a Nissan 40 hp tldi on my 1068 13'. It came with a 12" pitch prop and I couldnot run wot. It reached the max rpm way before wot. I put a 15" prop on it and it flies. With one person in it I can accelerate through the porpoising and then begin trimming the motor out. I got the rpms up to 5700 and 45.1 mph on the gps. It's really exciting but NOT SAFE! I'm changing to less pitch soon.
Mike
Posted by WhalerSailor on 05/22/07 - 1:42 AM
#3
Thanks for the reply Moose,
Speed is measured by GPS. It's a long shaft with the cavitation plate running just about 1/2 inch below the bottom of the keel (that's as high as I could get it).
Your answer is part of what I'm confused about. If you are reaching max rpm before wot, why would you go to a smaller pitch? Wouldn't that be racing your engine even higher? Dave
Posted by moose on 05/22/07 - 7:03 AM
#4
Dave,
I see that I was unclear in my post. With the 12" pitch prop the motor would reach max rpm before the throttle was pushed all the way to wot. There is a rev limiter on the motor and it would keep it from going over 5800 rpm and the alarm would sound. Also, it's a 1968, not a 1068.
Mike
Posted by Nobleskydiver on 03/14/08 - 8:28 PM
#5
Evening,
On my 20 hp 2 stoke I had a two blade and it was fast as I was solo pilot, when I loaded teh 13' with diving gear and open ocean I went to three blade Merc only showed two types props for that small engine,
I just found this web site http://www.piranha.com and learned a little. RPM and speed is important as well as type boat, I guessing our whalers are planing hulls at least the older classics as compared to newer model.
Not sure what else to say but I seen many a 50 hp on these 13 footers not to many worries,. JMO
from the saddle
Bill
Posted by Phil T on 03/15/08 - 10:32 AM
#6
Dave -
While the others can help you work out the prop, I have a separate suggestion. Given the current mounting, have you considered a jack plate so you can raise up the engine.
Getting the anti-cavitation plate above the keel by 1/2 to 1" will add to the performance. Many owners with a long shaft add a jack plate. The only consideration is the added weight (20 + lbs) in the stern.
Posted by kamie on 03/16/08 - 6:02 AM
#7
CBO is correct, until you jack that engine out of the water you can play with props all day and not go very far or very fast. Check out T&H or Cook CMC Cook for jackplates and products designed to retro fit a long shaft motor on a boat designed for a short shaft.
Posted by Binkie on 03/17/08 - 7:46 AM
#8
I would try a 17pitch prop, When you say that the motor is as high as it can go, do you mean you have put shim sticks between the clamp bracket and the transom. If not add a 1/2 shim stick to at least get the cavitation plate level with the bottom. It would be optimal to be 1/2" to 1' above bottom. If you don`t have tim-n-tilt, adjust the tilt pin so the motor is vertical or slightly kicked out. Also decarb the motor, and you will see a difference.
Rich
Posted by Binkie on 03/17/08 - 7:47 AM
#9
duplicate
Edited by Tom W Clark on 03/21/08 - 10:11 AM