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Contemplating a repower - 1973 13' Whaler, maybe 40hp ETEC?
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| drewread |
Posted on 09/07/15 - 6:54 PM
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Hello,
Has anyone put a 40hp E-TEC onto a 13' Whaler with a 20" transom?
I recently purchased a 1973 13' Whaler with a 40hp 1996 C40 2-stroke Yamaha on it, but it doesn't have power trim. I am considering trying to add power trim to the current engine, but once that expense is all said and done (even if it can be done) I am probably a decent chunk of change into a new engine.
I have read all of the concerns about the weight, and I am frankly amazed that the E-TEC 2-stroke is heavier than the 4-strokes that are out there currently. Is anyone running the E-TEC 4-hp with all the bells and whistles on a 13' Whaler?
Surely there will also be many other benefits, such as reduced noise and increased fuel efficiency. The 4-hp Yamaha can certainly suck in the fuel when blasting around Georgian Bay at WOT... ;)
Thanks for any advice that can be provided...
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| ed01wade |
Posted on 09/07/15 - 8:04 PM
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I have a 1968 13 foot whaler that I put a new E-tec 30 hp on. Plenty of power. I'm very satisfied with a 30 hp
(changed abbreviated year to full 4 digit year for clarification)
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| EJO |
Posted on 09/08/15 - 8:15 AM
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I've seen 30HP 4-strokes and ETEC's on these 13' Whalers and they seem to give enough power. See this http://whalercentral.com/forum/viewth...ost_136949 4 people and a shark.
Skipper E-J
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| drewread |
Posted on 09/08/15 - 9:32 AM
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Thanks for the opinions on the 30... but I am specifically asking about the 40.
I know myself pretty well... and I know that I am highly unlikely to go from a 40 to a 30, no matter the efficiency of a 30... ;)
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| tom blinstrub |
Posted on 09/08/15 - 11:21 AM
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They make a 50 and 60 Etec out of the same platform as the 40 ETEC. That's why it weighs so much. If your 40 Yamaha runs good I would keep it.I would bet with the extra weight of the ETEC the power trim won't help much. It will porpose.
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Posted on 09/08/15 - 1:12 PM
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Drew, I'm right there with you on the power thing - I am just happy that Yamaha came out with the F70, which is the perfect new tech motor for my 15, and weighs no more than the 2-smoke it replaced. I think that people are trying to gently guide you away from putting a 240-pound motor on your 13. I assume you have seen this page: http://www.whalercentral.com/articles.php?cat_id=4&article_id=78 ?
Because it's basically a detuned 60, the eTec is by far the heaviest alternative. There are a lot of choices in the 210-pound range - I don't have a 13 so I can't say whether that would be too heavy. But it's better than 240!
If you can hang in there with what you have for a while, technology continues to trickle down - the unsleeved block is a real game changer, and I am hoping it eventually makes it down to smaller motors where the weight savings will be even more dramatic.
Tim
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| drewread |
Posted on 09/08/15 - 5:03 PM
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What about the Tohatsu MD40B2EPTOL 40hp 2 stroke at only 208lbs?
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/08/15 - 7:07 PM
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drewread wrote:
What about the Tohatsu MD40B2EPTOL 40hp 2 stroke at only 208lbs?
Where did you get the 208 pounds from?
Here are the Specs from the Tohatsu website that say basically 206 pounds.
http://www.tohatsu.com/outboards/40tl..._spec.html
See the other weights that were given in a link above.
http://www.whalercentral.com/articles...icle_id=78
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| drewread |
Posted on 09/08/15 - 8:13 PM
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You will also note that the Tohatsu site says:
* Weight specification is based on the lightest version.
Which I take to mean not the trimmable remote version.
I found the 208 here: http://outboards.axlegeeks.com/l/219/Tohatsu-MD40B2EPTOL
They also have the specs for the non-remote version here: http://outboards.axlegeeks.com/l/217/Tohatsu-MD40B2EFTOL
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 09/09/15 - 10:31 AM
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drewread wrote:
I found the 208 here: http://outboards.axlegeeks.com/l/219/Tohatsu-MD40B2EPTOL
Too bad the manufacturers websites don't list more of the weights for their motors.
Have to reply on 3rd parties to list the weights of someone else's motors.
Would be nice to know where these 3rd parties get their info.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 09/09/15 - 12:34 PM
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Give this thread a read, one of the members has a 40 Etec and gives his feedback.
http://www.etecownersgroup.com/post/r...p;trail=15
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| ed01wade |
Posted on 09/09/15 - 1:57 PM
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It's good to know the exact weight and I agree the manufacturers should have more info on the different motors and weights but is 2 pounds really something to worry about?
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| drewread |
Posted on 04/20/16 - 11:47 AM
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Well it is getting close to that time of year, so I'm going to re-energise this thread. :)
I have changed my direction due to the weight differences on those 40hp ETECs, and I am looking at going to a 30hp ETEC from my current 40HP Yamaha 2 stroke (a 1996 C40PLRU, which is fine except for the lack of power trim.) This change in direction is mainly due to the huge weight difference between the 30hp etec and the 40hp ETEC.
Does anyone on this board currently run a 30hp ETEC on an older 13' Sport? If so how do you like it, what did you repower from? Better yet, as we are getting close to boating season, does anyone in Ontario have a 13' powered with a 30hp ETEC and feel like taking me for a ride?
If only there was a 35hp ETEC HO, that would be a really nice option for the 13' Whaler owner.
Any suggestions and comments are of course welcome.
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| thegage |
Posted on 04/20/16 - 12:22 PM
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I repowered with a 30 ETEC from a Yamaha 15HP two-stroke. The Yamaha was actually enough to get planing with two adults and two kids, but the ETEC is just a fantastic engine for a 13. Make sure you mount it high enough if you get one.
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| Phil T |
Posted on 04/20/16 - 1:08 PM
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The recommendation for installing an E-TEC on a Boston Whaler is to mount it all the way (4 holes) up.
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| dundee1951 |
Posted on 04/20/16 - 5:06 PM
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In my 50 years boating the Gulf of Mexico out of Panama City, FL, I have never heard any one wishing they had a smaller engine. I used to fish with a friend who had a 13' Whaler with a 55 Johnson. He was happy with the performance and he could pull his teenage children with slalom skies..I know that Whaler recommends max 40HP but there is no Coast Guard law against it. The 50 E-tec weighs the same as the 40 HP. I run a 115 Evinrude on my 17 Montauk and could not be happier. I only run about 6-7 MPH faster but never feel under or over powered. Remember, foolish people can kill themselves with a 10 HP Engine.
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| drewread |
Posted on 04/20/16 - 5:29 PM
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dundee1951 wrote:
In my 50 years boating the Gulf of Mexico out of Panama City, FL, I have never heard any one wishing they had a smaller engine. I used to fish with a friend who had a 13' Whaler with a 55 Johnson. He was happy with the performance and he could pull his teenage children with slalom skies..I know that Whaler recommends max 40HP but there is no Coast Guard law against it. The 50 E-tec weighs the same as the 40 HP. I run a 115 Evinrude on my 17 Montauk and could not be happier. I only run about 6-7 MPH faster but never feel under or over powered. Remember, foolish people can kill themselves with a 10 HP Engine.
Yes, that is a great and dandy theory, unfortunately all of the new 40hp engines are frankly way too heavy for the 13' whaler. I have not seen one photo of a whaler with a new 40 hanging on the back that doesn't look like it is back heavy. I am frankly not interested in unbalancing the static position of the boat for the additional 10hp.
The lower horsepower ETEC has enough advantages over the existing Yamaha to have me considering it. Mainly the ability to trim the engine under load, which the current Yamaha cannot do. This will give enough of a performance boost to both the hole-shot and the running speed that I think the missing 10hp won't be missed.
Would I put a 40hp engine on the boat if one was available in the weight ranges of the old engines, for sure, without question... but there isn't one. End of that story for me.
I'm looking for replies from people that have tried it, not suggestions of going 10hp over the rating for the hull. Although the coast guard supposedly won't take issue (I assume in the US - and I deal with a different coast guard anyway) - I don't want to deal with the insurance ramifications - and surely there would be some, especially in the event of an accident.
Thanks.
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| Derwd24 |
Posted on 04/20/16 - 11:16 PM
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Have you seen this other thread in the link below? A number of 13' owners with the 30 Etec give their feedback. Also watch the video in that thread.
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...rowstart=0
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