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| FrankBama |
Posted on 08/18/15 - 6:50 AM
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Hi. I had an issue with my Mercury Verado 250 last night that I'd love some thoughts on as I am confused as to what it could be and can't get a shop to look at it for a couple of days. I was out for a quick spin last night and cruising at 4000 rpm when a line fell in the water. I immediately dialed the throttle back to neutral and heard a small clank as I was coasting to a stop. After retrieving the line with no damage to, I realized the motor had stalled. I inspected the prop and it was clean. When I go to start the motor back up, it is behaving like my batteries are dead. Starter is clicking, only turns the motor over once or twice before quitting. Boat Tow arrives and tries to jump me and the starter sounds a little better but still only cranking once or twice. I charge my batteries over night and both show 'Full' on my charger but the starter still behaving like the batteries are weak. Is this a mechanical issue? An electrical issue? Or both? The tilt work fine and sounds strong and all electronics work fine. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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| jollyrog305 |
Posted on 08/18/15 - 10:24 AM
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Any fault codes thrown? Could be water in the gas (check the red castle filter), loose electrical connections or something as simple as the emergency shutoff switch not being fully engaged. When it does crank, is it making a grinding sound? You could pull the plugs to see if you are getting any spark.
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| tmann45 |
Posted on 08/18/15 - 10:53 AM
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FrankBama wrote:
I was out for a quick spin last night and cruising at 4000 rpm when a line fell in the water. I immediately dialed the throttle back to neutral and heard a small clank as I was coasting to a stop. When I go to start the motor back up, it is behaving like my batteries are dead. Starter is clicking, only turns the motor over once or twice before quitting.
Sounds like hydro lock to me (sucked up some water into a cylinder when decelerating), this is not uncommon on some motors. Pull the spark plugs and see if it turns over freely and check for water being spit out.
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Posted on 08/18/15 - 12:05 PM
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Wow, I sure hope not, but it does sound like you ingested some water and are hydrolocked. Since I assume the motor and the whole boat are still under warranty, I'd take it right back to the dealer. What boat is this?
Please keep us posted on the outcome - I hope they're not going to call it operator error and expect you to pay for the new motor.
Hoping for your sake it's just a dud starter or key switch...
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| FrankBama |
Posted on 08/18/15 - 3:10 PM
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So now turning the key just gets me a click from the starter and 3-4 seconds of weak effort then it shuts itself down. The message I get is "Engine Actuator Voltage Low".
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| Phil T |
Posted on 08/18/15 - 4:48 PM
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The Verado is a sophisticated engine and can be very finicky.
It is clear you do not have sufficient amps to start the motor. Could be a connection or your battery (>1000 CCA minimum) is not holding a charge.
I would check
- battery cable connections on the starter and ground. Loosen, remove, reattach.
- battery cable connections at the battery.
-remove battery and get it load tested.
-if more than 3 years old, replace it.
Get a certified Verado tech to review.
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| FrankBama |
Posted on 08/18/15 - 6:20 PM
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Thanks for all the input. I managed to get the plugs pulled and at that point the starter was able to crank the flywheel. There was brown discharge from the the bottom cylinder that I took a pic of but can't figure out how to attach it here. I then replaced all the plugs and buttoned everything up and at that point the starter was cranking the flywheel like it should but the engine would not fire after a couple of attempts. Thoughts? Recommendations?
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Posted on 08/19/15 - 2:52 AM
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Is is still under warranty? If so, take it back to the dealer right away. Brown goo coming out of a cylinder is never good, and the clank you heard could have been a connecting rod breaking. I hope not, for your sake.
When the problem happened, was the water rough, so a following wave might have come in the air intake?
Tim
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| FrankBama |
Posted on 08/19/15 - 4:22 AM
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Tim. Yes, it is still under warranty. I purchased it used in July from a dealer but I am not certain if they submitted the warranty transfer information or if it is actually required. I will submit it myself today to be sure.
The water was not rough at all, it was actually quite calm. If that is indeed what happened, there is a serious design flaw. The dealer can't look at it until tomorrow.
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| Weatherly |
Posted on 08/19/15 - 4:59 AM
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If you search in Google 'Verado" and "hydrostatic lock" you will find your catastrophic condition is not an unfamiliar circumstance for this Mercury engine with DTS controls.
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Posted on 08/19/15 - 2:19 PM
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Ugh - the thread on "that other Whaler site" is distressingly familiar - someone relatively new to the boat, quick stop, apparent water in bottom cylinder. Hate to say it, but it may be new motor time.
Do the Mercury controls not have a stop in neutral, so you can't inadvertently shift into reverse in these situations? Maybe that's the case for electronic controls for other vendors as well, for all I know.
Tim
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| FrankBama |
Posted on 08/19/15 - 4:43 PM
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Does anyone know if Mercury has been standing behind this issue?
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| Silentpardner |
Posted on 08/19/15 - 5:12 PM
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I don't understand this AT ALL.
If there is water inside that engine from stopping any boat attached to it as FAST AS POSSIBLE, including throwing the engine into reverse, this just does not make sense.
I have been on several boats that were and are powered by Mercury Verado 250's. I have seen these engines take water from backing down on fish, heavy seas, etc. All of the boats I have been on have these motors mounted lower than the stern height on apparatus very similar to Whaler Drive platform brackets. I have been soaked by waves of water backing down on fish I was catching that I saw roll over the tops of Mercury Verado 250 engines. There was no damage to those engines from that abuse, and I was safely returned by those engine's owners over 100 miles back to port.
So why is there an issue here of water damage to a Mercury Verado 250 that was operating in calm water? I don't get it.
I also don't understand the term "bottom cylinder".
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Posted on 08/19/15 - 5:30 PM
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Frank, Pardner, do a Google search with keywords Verado and hydrolock and you'll find the other post, which answers your questions.
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 08/19/15 - 5:33 PM
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Here is a Verado discussion forum for Mercury Verado motors.
http://www.veradoclub.com
I personally wouldn't want to go to any boat site to learn about some brand of motor.
I would want to go to a motor site dedicated to that brand of motor.
Mercury
Evinrude
Yamaha
etc., etc.
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| jollyrog305 |
Posted on 08/19/15 - 9:26 PM
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Backing down quickly, engines mounted to low, or taking a wave over the engines was usually an issue with the gen1 verado (like mine) specifically with the pencil coils. This just happened to me where the two lower pencil coils were exposed to enough water after having to back down very quickly because of two reckless jet skiers (but that's another story) that the coils failed -therefore causing the engine to not run on all cylinders. The motor would still start just shake very bad at higher rpms. It was a $90 fix and the newer engines have the "upgraded" coils. That said, coming off plane I will keep the engines trimmed up a bit more 
I'm not an expert but from what I'm reading is that hydrolock is not just a verado issue, rather a possible (bad) result of certain conditions coming together at once.
Hope everything works out for you...
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| FrankBama |
Posted on 09/10/15 - 3:52 PM
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I finally have an update. I am waiting for a warranty replacement powerhead from Mercury to be delivered and installed. Water was found in the bottom cylinder and the official cause was a faulty gasket. It's taken so long because the first shop I brought it to was listed as Verado qualified but said they were not able to perform the warranty service because they are not an outboard dealer. The second shop couldn't look at it for another week and here we are almost a month later...... I'm just glad it's warrantied and it happened at the end of the season
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| butchdavis |
Posted on 09/11/15 - 6:05 AM
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Excellent outcome. Mercury seems to be doing a good job of standing behind their engines.
Verado Club has some good information about the optimum mounting height of Verados. I highly recommend you spend some time reading on that site.
Rapid deceleration from on-plane operation of Verados is to be avoided. "Chopping" of the throttles can cause extensive damage as you have learned.
There is an adjustment for throttle resistance at the binnacle. Verado Club, IIRC, has a "how to".
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Posted on 09/11/15 - 6:09 AM
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It's great that they are standing behind the motor, and interesting they called it a faulty gasket, which it clearly was not. Sounds like they may have a hidden warranty program going.
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| FrankBama |
Posted on 09/11/15 - 7:12 AM
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Thanks Butch. I was poking around Verado Club last night and didn't see anything on mount height. I'll look better this evening. I have already made adjustments to the binnacle.
Tedious. How do you think the water was ingested? I've spoken to a couple of experienced local guys and they can't understand how the water would have been ingested other than via bad gasket. I'd also like to understand so that I can avoid something like this in the future.
Thanks,
Chris
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