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| bruser |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 5:17 PM
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So you want opinions or the law?. In Michigan there is no open container law for boating. You can be drinking when pulled over by Law Enforcement, the limit is .08. If you blow that on the PBT you will be going to jail.
If the officer makes a stop on you vessel and you appear to be intoxicated, weither you blow the PBT or not, if the office can articulate the circumstances of the probable cause that led him to arrest you you will e found guilty.
I have witnessed an individual who was apparently intoxicated who was arrested. The individual did not blow the PBT but subsiquent blood test reveiled a BAL of only .02 however the LEO was able to describe the circumstances eloquently in court and the suspect was found guilty of BWI.
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| RyanF |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 5:53 PM
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ioptfm wrote:
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Oh come on guys! Are you telling us not one accident or significant injury was related to weather conditions, sober distractions, equipement failure, or general stupidity? Alcohol was always the cause? You both either have a stastically unique set of experiences or you are simply full of it.
If you think drinking and boating are a bad idea, just say so like Binkie. No need to make up BS.
That is exactly what I am saying..........all serious incidents and injuries that I have treated were alcohol related.......Come spend some time in the emergency room while an injured child is being put back together.....I am not saying that one should not have a beer while boating and I by no means think all that are having a drink are drunks......I enjoy a beer here and there myself, but one has to be responsible and many are not..........I can assure you I have no reason to make up BS..........Take it for what it's worth and use it how you please
Well I am sorry you have been unlucky in your experience. The Coast Guard stats can be found here: http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_statistics.aspx You will see alcohol contributes to an unfortunate number of accidents, but so do many other things. It is an exaggeration to say all serious boating injuries are alcohol related.
We are only talking about this because car driving laws are being applied to boating, which is in no way a good thing. While you may not be saying one should not have a bear while boating, but that is exactly the message the nanny and law enforcement types will take from your statement. This is too bad because boating is hopefully an escape from land life's hassels. Now you have me started so here we go.
That being about in a boat somehow makes it acceptable for law enforcement to harass folks under the mantra of saftey is unfortunately where we now are. And lets not leave out the worst egomaniac busybody loosers in maritime histroy: The USCG reserve. Sorry commercial orange life jacket lovers, that's the truth.
Boating saftey cheerleaders don't tend to be the type of folks I like to interact with, but when I must, I do prefer to be drunk.
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 6:00 PM
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OK for Ryan's benifit...........I stand corrected.......100% of boating accidents and injuries are not alcohol related.........but an ass of them are! Stop by the ER sometime on a weekend!
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| BwhalerBil |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 6:06 PM
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I have to side with RyanF. Twenty years of assisting boat incidents is going to produce several alcahol related problems. However 100% is just about a statistical impossibility.
I have boated all my life and live on the water where alcahol is over used, creating problems, but knowing that lack of experience and COMMON SENSE account for more than a isolated or zero number of accidents. In twenty years you can not convince me that someone sober as a Judge (not always true) will have looked the wrong way at the wrong time, not knowen the rules of the road, or in many cases not sure of where the road is causing unfortunate outcome.
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| CES |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 6:20 PM
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RyanF. I'm with ya brother, that's why I am laughing at most of these posts. Government is in our lives too much now, and it's getting worse. You nailed it! There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a few beers while out on the water. However, as I said before, common sense and moderation must prevail.
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| Binkie |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 7:59 PM
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Ryan, your comment---Boating safety cheerleaders don't tend to be the type of folks I like to interact with, but when I must, I do prefer to be drunk
Fortunately for you, there are no laws against typing while drinking, that is unless you are driving too. LOL
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| Mark Finkenstaedt |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 8:28 PM
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Thanks all - It's starting to resemble ContinWave in here.
So the conclusion is:
1. There are no hard and fast rule to an open container
2. Don't drink too much or ever.
3. Don't blow a .08.
4. Hide your empties or use them as an anchor.
5. Buy a RescueStreamer ® - because one beer - you're gonna need it.
Now, lets talk about my gelcoat...
Thanks y'all
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| JohnnyCW |
Posted on 11/09/09 - 8:49 PM
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You folks sure like putting words in other's posts.
I stated that in nearly 20 years, I've never responded to a boating accident that resulted in serious injury or death where alcohol was not a factor.
I never said every boating related incident I've responded to involved alcohol. I've responded to many more incidents that involved only minor injuries or thankfully no injuries at all. Many of them have involved alcohol, many did not.
I choose not to drink any alcohol when I operate my boats. I make that decision based on many years of experience in professional emergency services and almost as many years as a 100 gross ton certificate holding Captain.
I don't villainize others that choose a different course as long as they abide by the law. Many folks enjoy alcohol responsibly and will never experience unfortunate circumstances on the water. Personally though, if I were to ever be involved in any kind of boating incident that resulted in any injury to someone else, I don't know that I could stand the thought that somehow the outcome could have been different if I had not consumed something that altered my ability to react in any measure.
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| MW |
Posted on 11/10/09 - 12:56 AM
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I think we better get back to work, or the Captain's gonna come down here and start yellin.
Edited by MW on 11/10/09 - 12:56 AM
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| surfncnow |
Posted on 11/10/09 - 7:58 AM
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I will admit, I have a few beers while boating and don't see an issue with it being done. It irritates my ass hearing folks demanding drivers permit to operate a boat. "It will generate revenue my ass." If you feel that way, pick a new hobby. For me, boating is a way to escape society.
Sorry for the rant.
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| Binkie |
Posted on 11/10/09 - 2:10 PM
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For entertainment, its good fun to watch drunks load their boats at the ramp. That`s probably not against the law as they are neither in their boat or on the road. Public intoxication?
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| theo |
Posted on 11/11/09 - 11:07 AM
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Mark Finkenstaedt wrote:
It's starting to resemble ContinWave in here.
"And this the most unkindest cut of all."
If it turns into CW I'm out of here.
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| Mark Finkenstaedt |
Posted on 11/11/09 - 1:37 PM
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theo wrote:
Mark Finkenstaedt wrote:
It's starting to resemble ContinWave in here.
"And this the most unkindest cut of all."
If it turns into CW I'm out of here.
Right! Play nice everyone. It's a simple question - answered long ago.
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| ioptfm |
Posted on 11/11/09 - 5:46 PM
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Surely no one takes this personal............I hope eveyone respects the opinion of others and we can all agree to disagree
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| JohnnyCW |
Posted on 11/12/09 - 1:49 PM
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...disregard please.
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| arthureld |
Posted on 11/12/09 - 3:44 PM
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It seems to me that exaggerating about the % of accidents caused by alcohol only makes the problem worse.
The problem is bad enough so no one should have to exaggerate to be convincing.
I'm not trying to offend anyone.
We seem to make this mistake with kids about many things and we end up losing their respect and they do it more than ever.
It geves them an excuse not to pay attention.
JM02
Is Binkie posting while drunk driving? lol
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| JohnnyCW |
Posted on 11/12/09 - 4:08 PM
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arthureld wrote:
It seems to me that exaggerating about the % of accidents caused by alcohol only makes the problem worse.
The problem is bad enough so no one should have to exaggerate to be convincing.
Who exaggerated? I read misstatements by another member that misconstrued what I posted but my statement in regard to my personal experience is absolutely factual and accurate.
Basically being called a liar by another forum member was not behavior I expected here.
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| arthureld |
Posted on 11/12/09 - 4:27 PM
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Wasn't calling anyone a liar.
This thread is a few days old and I drop in once in a while. I saw the thread before and probably haven't even read every post. I dumped my thoughts on the subject. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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| ritzyrags |
Posted on 11/12/09 - 5:05 PM
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It is truly good to see that this subject has been well debated.
I have always realized that there is a category of "fishermen" out there that I will have called "Cocktails Fishermen"
Not quite my kind of boating strategy but anyway..
Some of my friends will have the odd brew after having landed a nice one.And this being done for the twofold aim of quenching thirst and celebrating the moment.
Moderation is the golden rule here.
I for one will usually have a cold Coke and this for the reviving aspects of the drink.
Some will need the escape from land based realities bad enough to rapidly put down a few and finally relax.
Good thing that helmsmen with different views will be there to supervise the action.
Dont lie
Dont Cheat
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| JohnnyCW |
Posted on 11/12/09 - 6:21 PM
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arthureld wrote:
Wasn't calling anyone a liar.
This thread is a few days old and I drop in once in a while. I saw the thread before and probably haven't even read every post. I dumped my thoughts on the subject. Sorry if I offended anyone.
It was not you and I apologize if my post was taken in an accusatory fashion. That was not my intention.
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