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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 08/01/15 - 2:37 PM
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Yes, "Current" motor choices.
Those are all the motors available now from any of the respective dealers.
There is really no reason for me to list motors that are no longer available.
Also note that these are motors available in the U.S.
Other motors may be available in other countries but I do not track other countries.
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| Jay Fitz |
Posted on 08/01/15 - 2:50 PM
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Joe Kriz wrote:
Those are all the motors available now from any of the respective dealers.
There is really no reason for me to list motors that are no longer available.
Agree, just confirming the chart was current...thanks.
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| MG56 |
Posted on 08/02/15 - 5:07 AM
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Joe Kriz wrote:
Finnegan wrote:
Seriously look at the American made Merc 90 4-stroke you mentioned. It is the lightest weight of all 90 4-strokes,
Actually the Suzuki is the lightest of all the 90 4-strokes made today.
Suzuki DF90 = 341 pounds
The Mercury 90 = 359 pounds.
It is what it is, and facts are facts.
That same exact Mercury engine in 115hp is the lightest 115, which is probably the fact Larry was thinking of.
Since the OP decided on the Etec 90 HO, which is a 115 except in decals, the Merc 115 would be the engine to compare it to. I believe the Merc wins in weight, power & cost.
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| mtown |
Posted on 08/02/15 - 5:24 AM
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Backriverexpress wrote:
Mtown he states "two holes" ???
Yes, he mentions two holes up twice but also states that he should see higher top end if he raised the motor all the way up. I think he raised to three holes up.
I zoomed to 200% and in both pictures that show the stern it sure looks like 3 holes up to me. As Joe stated, with the green holes you can put the motor in any holes you choose. Also take note of the black rod he inserted thru the new holes. That is about the same angle I drilled to be in the splash well.
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| bcross |
Posted on 08/02/15 - 7:00 AM
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I think you will find the e-tec 90 to be a good choice. And $8800.00 is a good estimate of out the door cost. Apparently Evinrude is offering free rigging including binnacle and tach when you buy a new e-tec. At least that was my dealer's claim. However, I think they make up for that in other places.
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| Jay Fitz |
Posted on 08/02/15 - 10:18 AM
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bcross wrote:
At least that was my dealer's claim. However, I think they make up for that in other places.
They sure do. The dealer has to make close to the same margin with the incentives...otherwise they would just sell a different motor. Evinrude probably takes the hit. But, more motors sold at lower profit = less motors sold at higher profit. Wash.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/02/15 - 4:00 PM
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Man I wish I had your dealers !!!
I have three quotes and the motor alone is more than that :(
Ps the old motor is off ;)
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| mtown |
Posted on 08/02/15 - 4:22 PM
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I just re-splashed my 1966 with the 70 hp Yamaha 2-stroke today. It is a boat/motor I have run for many years and I have a sense of it's speed ect. but have never had GPS or other method of measuring speed on the boat.
Having raised the motor to the third hole up has definitely made the boat faster. It is a little less improvement than I actually expected, but I am certainly happy with the move 3 holes up.
Not part of this thread, I have just completed a major repair to this hull/foam/laminate ect. It is about as bad as Whaler damage ever gets I assure you. I will share photos with all that care to see. E-mail is on my page.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/08/15 - 4:14 PM
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Good lord they promise you anything to buy the motor
Was supposed to be done today after being there since Monday.
Called to see what was up ..... They had not touched it all week !!!
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| Whalerbob |
Posted on 08/08/15 - 6:52 PM
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Backriverexpress wrote:
Phil i actually like the HO and have got a nice price on it, compared to what I was quoted in Portland for a regular 90..... :)
so I have the two estimates and a third on its way.... :)
I am going with Etec... I have owned them before.
So in your opinion is the 20 inch shaft correct ?
Also ... No unrigging cost as I will take care of that... :)
I like the HO for its power... the regular 90 is the highest rating for its 3 cylinder engine (high Strung) the 90 HO is a detuned 115.... seems like more longevity on that engine...?
Even if the HO was less money I'd still put the standard 90 on a Montauk. No need to carry the extra weight that you have no need for and you're limiting your resell options.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/09/15 - 8:45 AM
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The good news is this boat will never be resold !!!
It took me quite a while to find one in this nice condition
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| thegage |
Posted on 08/09/15 - 8:53 AM
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The "old" Evinrude V4 2-stroke 90s were about 300 lbs., so in terms of comparable "grunt" the HO adds another 90 lbs. to your transom. I personally wouldn't do it on a 1970 boat, but I'll be interested in your results.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/09/15 - 12:38 PM
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I read somewhere on here whaler max weight for transom was 410 lbs ???
Also I have seen 16 w/ 115 Etecs ?
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| Whalerbob |
Posted on 08/09/15 - 7:08 PM
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I'd put the 115 on before the 90 HO. At least then you'd gain significant top end performance and still have the option to put a power prop on it if you felt you needed more low end power.
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| alan heckmamleper |
Posted on 08/10/15 - 5:02 AM
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IMO the lighter the better on a 17 foot whaler hull. I repowered with a 257 lb Yamaha F70 and the boat handles MUCH better than it did with a heavier motor and is in my opinion much more seaworthy than when it had more weight on the transom. 70 hp works fine for me but I know some like more horsepower. I also run a Tohatsu 6 hp kicker most of the time so my total weight is just under 320 lb which is what the ETEC 90 weighs and the boat handles it fine but I don't think I would ever put more than 320 lbs of outboards on a 17 foot whaler hull. With my old motors I had a total of 386 lb and it was way too much, the boat handled terrible and I took waves over the transom.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/10/15 - 5:39 AM
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I guess I should add this boat is fresh water only .....
It is our ski & tube boat. Bright sunny fair weather sailing @ the lake only ;)
Most of its life will be spent in that low grunt pull up to a plane , slow down we lost one ... Start over mode ....
I am really not worried about top end, although I'm sure this thing won't be slow proped right !
I really appreciate all the feed back , but the HO is going on as we speak ....
So I guess now we just wait for sea trials and numbers ;)
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| MG56 |
Posted on 08/10/15 - 12:00 PM
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Backriverexpress wrote:
I guess I should add this boat is fresh water only .....
It is our ski & tube boat. Bright sunny fair weather sailing @ the lake only ;)
Most of its life will be spent in that low grunt pull up to a plane , slow down we lost one ... Start over mode ....
I am really not worried about top end, although I'm sure this thing won't be slow proped right !
I really appreciate all the feed back , but the HO is going on as we speak ....
So I guess now we just wait for sea trials and numbers ;)
This is a great chance to show how the added engine weight changes the static trim from a lighter engine. It looks like you have a nice dry boat and I'd guess you are adding 130 lbs with the new engine. There has been a lot of talk about how 400 lbs of engine is too much weight, but it is always anecdotal info about this random boat against another.
I'd be willing to bet the new engine doesn't change the float height much more than an inch, and when loaded with bodies not enough to measure.
I look forward to performance #'s. Ron put one of those on a Smirked Montauk but I don't think he posted final numbers, and your boat should be faster. >>
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/vi...ost_129377
What are you putting on for a prop? I'd ask here rather than rely on the dealer.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/10/15 - 1:08 PM
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Tom Clark recommends the stiletto Advantage 13 1/4 x 17
Of which I now have one . As the install is still going on right now I am not sure what the dealer is putting on it ?
PS the dealer and I laughed .... It's not 400lbs its 390 lbs ;)
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| MG56 |
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Backriverexpress wrote:
Tom Clark recommends the stiletto Advantage 13 1/4 x 17
Of which I now have one . As the install is still going on right now I am not sure what the dealer is putting on it ?
PS the dealer and I laughed .... It's not 400lbs its 390 lbs ;)
Err, is he installing it 3 holes up? I'd bet it would be very dialed in out of the gate with the Stiletto prop.
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| Backriverexpress |
Posted on 08/10/15 - 4:03 PM
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Yes three holes up !!
Giddy up !!!
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