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| Blackduck |
Posted on 12/15/09 - 7:07 AM
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After much self debate, I have decided to replace the fiberglass gunwales on my 1987 18' Outrage with teak. I like the low maintenance and practicality of the fiberglass, but the boat is just not right without that splash of teak back there. I have the whole thing pretty much figured out, except for some details. I was hoping to get a hold of the original working drawings, but they are long gone.
What I need is either access to a boat close to Westerly, RI, to take a couple of photos and some final measurements, or a good photo of the detail at the stern end, where the coaming dies into the gunwale board. I also need to know how deep the rabbet that the gunwale board fits into is, as well as the screw spacing of the fasteners that hold the gunwale in that rabbet. I need to confirm the width of the coaming board, as well as a detail of the cut that allows it to sit on the splashwell.
I know a number of Outrage owners would like to do what I am about to do. Hopefully, when I complete this project, I will have all the information available to help others tackle the project.
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| Eri |
Posted on 12/16/09 - 6:49 AM
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Check out my personal page pics. The Rabbet is only 1/8 inche deep. I ended up with 1 inch thick gunwales and 7/8 inch coaming board. The originals were 3/4 each by my measurements. I used one piece instead of 2 on the gunwale boards and it worked out fine. There is a little hand fitting with the angles and edging. I can send you some more pics that I took while doing this.
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| Blackduck |
Posted on 12/16/09 - 12:20 PM
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Thanks Eri, that helps. So it looks like the coaming board runs all the way back with the gunwale board, and is cut cross grain at 45 degrees, continuing the edge of the gunwale board. I assume the coaming board is not glued to the gunwale, only screwed? I still need to see the shape the original coaming board is cut to where it dies into the gunwale. Is it a curve or angle? Also it looks like you made your coaming board higher than the original, thus making it flush with the rest of the boats coaming. I am guessing the original was maybe 3 1/2", and yours is maybe 4 1/4"? Your work you did on your boat is just excellent. Any more photos from you or anyone else would be great. Oh, how about the screw spacing on the coaming board?
Walter Reynolds
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| Joe Kriz |
Posted on 12/16/09 - 12:45 PM
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Walter,
My coaming board is 3 5/8 inches tall.
The spacing of the screws is around 8 1/4 inches and some vary slightly.
The top of the rabbit joint is 3/4 of an inch down from the top of the coaming board.
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| krafft |
Posted on 12/16/09 - 10:46 PM
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Anyone who has put teak on top of their gunwhales on the older Outrages? Was this ever an option?
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Posted on 12/17/09 - 12:41 AM
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Gunwale options........In 1981-1985 the gunwales were capped with teak boards.
Beginning in 1986 all-laminated gunwales were
available as an option to the standard teak,
and required an up-charge of about $390.
In c.1989 the laminated/teak option flipped,
and the laminated gunwales became the standard
configuration. Until c.1991 teak gunwales were
offered as an option at an additional cost
(of about $300). In 1992 the teak option was
no longer available.
Bill...On the Ogeechee
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| Blackduck |
Posted on 12/17/09 - 8:49 AM
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Thanks Joe, that helps. What would really help, would be a close-up photo of the stern portion of the gunwales, where the coaming board ends, just before the gunwales terminate. Thanks to some help from you and others, I have just about all the details I will need, except for the pocket full of money for the teak.
Edited by Blackduck on 12/19/09 - 8:16 AM
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 12/17/09 - 9:18 AM
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Walt, I'll take some pictures of my Gunwhales for you. Where do you want me to send the pics?
Kevin
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| Blackduck |
Posted on 12/17/09 - 10:38 AM
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Thanks Kevin, that would be great. Send to blackduckgallery@verizon.net And I hope you have a great Christmas!
Walter
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| Finnegan |
Posted on 12/17/09 - 1:05 PM
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Walter - Just by coinicidence, if you look at this video and use the pause button, as the camera pans, you can see a clear detail of the stern portion of the Outrage 18 coaming board.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v42...I_0422.flv
And here is a still shot that shows both stern corners: click on photo to enlarge full size
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v42...G_0454.jpg
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| Whaler27 |
Posted on 12/17/09 - 5:29 PM
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My 1987 Outrage 18 has the fiberglass gunnels. They are finished with a strip of teak so as to form the combing board that the teak gunnels have. I have not yet refinished them so they have a weathered gray appearance. See http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w2...02/165.jpg . I believe that these were a factory option and are necessary if you have a full Mills canvas enclosure as my Outrage has.
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| 95Outrage17 |
Posted on 12/17/09 - 8:28 PM
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Walter,
Take a look here for some pics that might be helpful: http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a84/...rage%2018/ They're pics from an '87 Outrage 18 that I did some pretty extensive work to last winter. I'll have to add some pics of the boat when it was finished. It turned out great.
- Chris
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Posted on 12/18/09 - 5:16 AM
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Walter,
I own a 22 Outrage and am located in Wakefield RI. You can come see it if you like. Also, I was at Gary F. Burdick on Rte 216 in Bradford about a month ago and they had an 18 with teak gunwale boards that they were doing engine work on. Best of all, it was inside.
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| Blackduck |
Posted on 12/18/09 - 7:06 AM
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DaveL wrote:
Walter,
I own a 22 Outrage and am located in Wakefield RI. You can come see it if you like. Also, I was at Gary F. Burdick on Rte 216 in Bradford about a month ago and they had an 18 with teak gunwale boards that they were doing engine work on. Best of all, it was inside.
Dave,
Thank you for the information. I called Gary's, and I guess the 18 went home. I would like to see your boat and take a couple of pictures, and maybe a couple of measurements. I am available just about anytime, so let me know what will work for you as far as a time. You can email me at blackduckgallery@verizon.net or call me at 348-6500.
Walter
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 12/18/09 - 9:09 AM
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Walt sent the pics.
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| Blackduck |
Posted on 12/18/09 - 9:16 AM
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95Outrage17 wrote:
Walter,
Take a look here for some pics that might be helpful: http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a84/...rage%2018/ They're pics from an '87 Outrage 18 that I did some pretty extensive work to last winter. I'll have to add some pics of the boat when it was finished. It turned out great.
- Chris
Chris,
Yes, your photos do help clear up a few things, confuse me more on others. Boat is looking real good. Thanks for you help.
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Posted on 12/18/09 - 10:25 AM
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HarleyFXDL wrote:
Walt sent the pics.
Got the photos. Perfect, just what I needed.
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Posted on 12/18/09 - 12:06 PM
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NP, glad to help Walt.
Kevin
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| 95Outrage17 |
Posted on 12/18/09 - 3:28 PM
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Blackduck wrote:
Chris,
Yes, your photos do help clear up a few things, confuse me more on others. Boat is looking real good. Thanks for you help.
I'm glad you find the pics helpful. What is it that's confusing? Maybe pics from others will help clarify. I'm quite sure the gunwales on that '87 are original. A few things had been added/changed over the years though. I don't think those small cleats are factory, although they are useful for attaching fenders. I think there use to be some hooks on it's gunwales for it's Mills enclosure, but they've been removed and there were some holes I had to fill. Other then that the gunwales are original. I added a pic to the album showing the gunwale caps removed.
- Chris
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| HarleyFXDL |
Posted on 12/18/09 - 6:01 PM
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As to the cracks in the gunwhales, what is the best way to repair any cracks?
Kevin
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